Qualifications.Important or not?

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

apptitude. experience, competance & acedemic qualifications all very valid & useless without the first three

 

if thats in order of preference, then i must be ballsing up on the apptitude!

[csservices]

Some one told me years ago when I was still keepering that if you didnt learn something new everyday you were doing something wrong, I would always take experience over tickets, but in any industry it seems there is always the chicken and egg situation of people wont give you a job without experience but they wont give you a job to get experience The problem I have is that going on the training courses I've been on they seem to be on a monkey see monkey do basis, ie they will point out if your doing things wrong and tell you how to do it during the asessment case in point NPTC part 1 spraying ticket, spent weeks trying to learn all the stuff in the defra pesticides rules and regs, went for asessment, never got asked a thing from it! Questions were when don't you spray, when its wet or windy, put on suit face mask and gloves and measure xx ml of coloured water into jug and pour into knapsack, congrats you've passed £75 please and never been asked for it in 17+ years Another example, although this seemes more common sense to me, asessor went to test some estate wood lads on estate where I was working at time, when he told them they needed a saw with 15" bar max they laughed and said they didnt run anything under 30" his reply was fair enough reckon you know what your up to then, lets go to the pub and do the paperwork

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

Seriously, all i am saying is that NOW, at this time, quals are the ONLY thing getting you a job, i didnt get passed handing in my CV for a SURVEYING position 2 weeks ago! lol

 

thats level two quals! crikey, and you lot wonder why im fustrated!

 

i cant even get on the first run!

[Mozza]

I bet Mikes just sat there now with a beer and a wry smile, Thinking, "Hehe, Theres another 30 page thread ive started"

[treequip]

Are you saying you have no quailification higher than NPTC's?

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

I bet Mikes just sat there now with a beer and a wry smile, Thinking, "Hehe, Theres another 30 page thread ive started"

 

oh like we dont know!

 

thats his only role here, to stoke a fire and watch the fireworks!

 

by the way Mike, loving that avatar, very funny:lol:

[john dawson]

one manager told me i was not alowed to use the ms460 saw, cus i didnt have cs32.

i was the only one with the experience (learnt on 036n084@12yrs old!)

i was the only one with the quals (nc,nd,)

i was the only one with the common sense.

everyone else bricked it!

the manager was fresh out of toff school and no experience,

 

so you see, you need all three experience, training and common sense.

how much of each is your choice.

 

i know im not the best, and i most certainly dont think im anywhere near perfect. thats why i know when to seek help from the right person.

[Mesterh]

Time served and experience mean nothing if your not good at your job.

 

I've seen lads who have been in the game for 6 months that I would rather have working for me than some that have been 'in the game' for 10,15,20 etc years.

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

Are you saying you have no quailification higher than NPTC's?

 

Yep thats what i am saying!

 

oh bar my VTA elite certificate

 

a city and guilds in photography

 

and a fisheries managment course

 

but nothing officialy important

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

I will keep trying for the quals, but have decided to start up my own consultancy, and why not?

 

Its legal for me to do so, and I am more than able, and at least this way i get the experience one way or another.

 

and at this point I should say a big thanks to those giving me projects to work on at this time, your support and acknowledgment in doing so is not going unoticed and wont be forgotten.