wood burners

[GarethM]

21 minutes ago, Muddy42 said:

 

I can never work out if you are agreeing or disagreeing or talking about something entirely different?

 

As I said 5 hours ago I would be very happy with existing back boiler stove system that was properly setup with many of the safety features above.

 

My understanding is there are two criticisms against back boiler stoves:

- efficiency and clean smoke.  current regs are pushing higher efficiency wood stoves that burn fast and hard. Introducing cold(er) water into a stove potentially cools it down which makes this hard to achieve. Personally I'm less concerned about efficiency and cleanliness because I have masses of dry wood and live in the sticks. If there isn't the right mixer value, more thinking is required.

- safety.  there is a risk that a system will either pressurize, boil if vented or run dry and pipes crack. Again I think all of this is possible to overcome with the right design and safety features. The bigger log central heating systems can dump water, pressure, shut the air right down and some can even extinguish the fire totally.

 

I think the current industry, building regs, stove installers and plumbers etc, are being overly safety conscious and just taking the path of least resistance to push everyone onto leccy.  

Mostly disagreeing with you.

 

Because you want everyone else to be mandated to be efficient, clean burning and ecological by wasting money on more pointless R&D to achieve something that's not possible, yet your happy to not be efficient, pollute and stay warm.

 

The fire is about as efficient as it'll ever be, there will never be much more to gain and you have to design for the absolute dumbest person running a glorified pressure cooker.

 

Backboilers aren't going to meet DEFRA regs

[Muddy42]

17 minutes ago, GarethM said:

Mostly disagreeing with you.

 

Because you want everyone else to be mandated to be efficient, clean burning and ecological by wasting money on more pointless R&D to achieve something that's not possible, yet your happy to not be efficient, pollute and stay warm.

 

The fire is about as efficient as it'll ever be, there will never be much more to gain and you have to design for the absolute dumbest person running a glorified pressure cooker.

 

Backboilers aren't going to meet DEFRA regs

 

???????   let's leave it here fella, you totally misunderstand me, I would rip up the all stove regs if I had my way.

[GarethM]

13 minutes ago, Muddy42 said:

???????   let's leave it here fella, you totally misunderstand me, I would rip up the all stove regs if I had my way.

That's a bit of a different argument, personally I would agree as my boiler is 3 times more expensive.

 

But with a world of fwits, DEFRA regulations are realistically the only way you'll stop idiots or at the very least financially forcing them to fit a certified fire as a starting point, firewood education has achieved nothing other than a busted flush.

 

Maybe change the regs to say, if the nearest two neighbour is more than 50m of you it's fine to use whatever you want.

[sime42]

2 hours ago, Steven P said:

 

Yes I think if the earth can turn leaves and dead fish into oil and coal (with time, heat and pressure) then surely it can do the same with plastics that are halfway there as they are.

 

 

Fungi - a thing on the TV last night, they can do something with some of them to make an equivalent to wood, takes about a month to grow the fungi, rather than 30 for trees, they are our friends, and not just for breakfast.

 

Lots of people are making lots of things out of Mycelium now. Furniture seems to be a favourite. I can understand that. Making electronics from mushrooms is a bit more of a stretch.

 

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[Rob_the_Sparky]

There is something political going on as technically all this "ban wood burners" doesn't make sense.  Why would you not control open fires but you would ban older but cleaner wood burners?  Why rather than trying to ban anything would you not look at reducing the particulate emissions?  It is not like there are no products out there that do that.  A very brief google get you: 

The ePURO, filter for wood burning stoves - Schiedel Chimney Systems Ltd.

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The ePURO, filter for wood burning stoves - The fine dust filter for wood-burning appliances. Electrostatic fine dust separator for effectively reducing flue gas particles in wood-burning...

 

If you applied the same logic the diesel and petrol engine would have been banned may years ago rather than improving their design to reduce emissions!

Edited 3 minutes ago by Rob_the_Sparky