AI - A force for Good or Bad?

[tree-fancier123]

6 hours ago, openspaceman said:

Loss of jobs was never the issue because the problem comes from the wealth of the  people that own the capital that grew the systems taking humanity on a train to the cliff at ever increasing speed.

a train to the cliff - too dramatic. These people who own the capital, they are human too. Britain's richest man has just died aged 85. Plenty of people with less than half a million will outlive him.

No plumber scrabbling around on his back under sinks and baths will be out of work due to AI

No one cutting trees and hedges will either. 

AI will hopefully realize it can only kill all the humans once. And after that it will be on its own.

 

 

[Stubby]

8 hours ago, Welshfred said:

I believe ai personal assistants are bad news. 

 

Also they don't have nice tits . 

[openspaceman]

15 minutes ago, tree-fancier123 said:

a train to the cliff - too dramatic.

I don't know. I won't see it, you might.

[AHPP]

[tree-fancier123]

1 hour ago, Stubby said:

Also they don't have nice tits . 

yet

[sime42]

9 hours ago, openspaceman said:

That's what the Luddites and Saboteurs said.

 

Think about all those clerks who sat in rows and columns of desks with mechanical calculators summing up bank accounts, electricity bills etc. All jobs automated by data processing.

 

Look at the service industries that grew with the labour which came available.

 

Loss of jobs was never the issue because the problem comes from the wealth of the  people that own the capital that grew the systems taking humanity on a train to the cliff at ever increasing speed.

 

I'm a self confessed Luddite. 

 

Point taken about the applications for labour always shifting in the past. This feels like a bigger step change, more fundamental though. It greater than just automation. Also, service industries are a mixed blessing. They've not been good for this country in the last 50 years. 

 

Last paragraph: completely agree. 

 

[Steven P]

2 hours ago, Stubby said:

Also they don't have nice tits . 

 

Only a matter of silicone

 

[tree-fancier123]

26 minutes ago, Steven P said:

 

Only a matter of silicone

 

 

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[openspaceman]

24 minutes ago, sime42 said:

I'm a self confessed Luddite. 

So am I, more so as I got older and can't see the benefits in automating and mechanising  everything. Physically doing things is satisfying and mostly good for the body.

 

AI is good at recognising patterns, in fact a digital computer only compares things, it can't even do binary adding but uses a quirk of ANDing to look like it's adding. I had great hopes of AI when a guy from Logica  explained how a computer programmed to be "intelligent" could recognise objects in unfamiliar surroundings and that was in 1987.

 

I had expected an AI triage system at a hospital or GP's; breathe into a machine to analyse metabolites in your breath, similar for blood, urine and faeces and check them for DNA of foreign microbes. After all there are more viruses and bacteria in you than you have cells of your own.

[sime42]

2 hours ago, openspaceman said:

So am I, more so as I got older and can't see the benefits in automating and mechanising  everything. Physically doing things is satisfying and mostly good for the body.

 

AI is good at recognising patterns, in fact a digital computer only compares things, it can't even do binary adding but uses a quirk of ANDing to look like it's adding. I had great hopes of AI when a guy from Logica  explained how a computer programmed to be "intelligent" could recognise objects in unfamiliar surroundings and that was in 1987.

 

I had expected an AI triage system at a hospital or GP's; breathe into a machine to analyse metabolites in your breath, similar for blood, urine and faeces and check them for DNA of foreign microbes. After all there are more viruses and bacteria in you than you have cells of your own.

 

Interesting. I want to ask for a more in-depth explanation of the ANDing masquerading as adding thing. Guessing it's not something that fits neatly in a nutshell though. I was fascinated by Logic Gates when I was taught them all to briefly.

 

Pattern recognition. A friend of mine was developing software to be used in a chicken nugget factory, or some such, around the turn of the century. It's purpose was to recognise and reject wrong or damaged ones by looking at their shape. AI wasn't even on the horizon then, it was just pattern recognition. He now works at GCHQ, something to do with policy, (that's all he's allowed to say).