Your ariel rescue turns up with no climbing kit

[peds]

1 hour ago, manco said:

question: how much use do people feel a rescue climber really is in the event of any major incident in the tree?

major cut to neck/ face/ underarm, youve got about 2 minutes, can your climber get to you that fast?

anything smaller you can maybe bring yourself down or slice your main line free and be lowered off like a log?

any thoughts?

 

That's it, really.

Big sick, ie major bleed or heart attack, unless you've got your rescue climber in the tree with you at the time, they won't get to you quick enough unless they are a pretty good climber... in which case, I guess they'd probably be up the tree instead of you anyway. 

Little sick, ie non-major bleed, broken tibia, chronic loneliness etc, you can probably (hopefully...) self-rescue quicker than yer man down on the ground still strapping his spikes on. 

 

Not taking into account things like CPR or suspension trauma, where every second counts... but realistically, those are probably seconds you don't have.

 

Well, that's a cheerful lunchtime thought. 

[MattyF]

3 hours ago, manco said:

question: how much use do people feel a rescue climber really is in the event of any major incident in the tree?

major cut to neck/ face/ underarm, youve got about 2 minutes, can your climber get to you that fast?

anything smaller you can maybe bring yourself down or slice your main line free and be lowered off like a log?

any thoughts?

Having been on site witnessing 4 major saw cut accidents all but this one where on the ground within 20 seconds , young lad only stayed there in the tree as he thought I was going to shout at him because he was doing the exact opposite of what I told him to do as soon as my back was turned… I would estimate that at only about 30 -40 seconds…

Guy I’ve seen put an old metal 020 when I first started in his face was on the ground from 14 meters in about 5 seconds ! 
The only people I’ve ever seen need to be aerial rescued have been stuck new climbers. 

[Hank]

2 hours ago, MattyF said:

Having been on site witnessing 4 major saw cut accidents all but this one where on the ground within 20 seconds , young lad only stayed there in the tree as he thought I was going to shout at him because he was doing the exact opposite of what I told him to do as soon as my back was turned… I would estimate that at only about 30 -40 seconds…

Guy I’ve seen put an old metal 020 when I first started in his face was on the ground from 14 meters in about 5 seconds ! 
The only people I’ve ever seen need to be aerial rescued have been stuck new climbers. 

Farking hell

[Mark J]

2 hours ago, MattyF said:

Having been on site witnessing 4 major saw cut accidents all but this one where on the ground within 20 seconds , young lad only stayed there in the tree as he thought I was going to shout at him because he was doing the exact opposite of what I told him to do as soon as my back was turned… I would estimate that at only about 30 -40 seconds…

Guy I’ve seen put an old metal 020 when I first started in his face was on the ground from 14 meters in about 5 seconds ! 
The only people I’ve ever seen need to be aerial rescued have been stuck new climbers. 

I've only had to deal with one chainsaw bite, my mate was already on his way down the hedge when he let me know we might need the first aid kit (****************ing battery toppers, they don't help a groundy to know what's getting cut and where). Odds are if you're rescuing someone from a tree they're either stuck or dead. 

Edited 11 hours ago by Mark J

[Mark Bolam]

I’ve climbed without any aerial rescue on site hundreds of times over the years.

It would only bother me on big stuff tbh.

 

If anyone is climbing for me I’ve always got my kit with me, but they would likely die of old age before I reached them.

 

I’ve always realistically thought you’re either getting yourself down or you’re not getting down.

[Mark J]

2 hours ago, Mark J said:

I've only had to deal with one chainsaw bite, my mate was already on his way down the hedge when he let me know we might need the first aid kit (****************ing battery toppers, they don't help a groundy to know what's getting cut and where). Odds are if you're rescuing someone from a tree they're either stuck or dead. 

One thing I did take away from the chainsaw incident:

My mate was using a Spiderjack and I had no idea how it worked when he came within reach, I was about to cut the rope and drag him out the hedge but I worked it out.

Make sure you're familiar with the mechanism a climber is using if you want to stand even the slimmest chance of rescuing them; cutting their rope and transferring them onto your setup might not be an option.