Anyone still like Labour?

[Haironyourchest]

There's no climate crisis. There's no environmental collapse.

 

These are propaganda words to induce fear.. a true crisis and collapse is sustained drought where food crops dry up and die.

 

This generally doesn't happen in the northern hemisphere. Even in localised areas where it threatens, we have infrastructure to compensate for this.

 

It's a cult of fear and doom. The right also have a cult of doom, but it's socially focused instead of nature focused.

 

In the Sahel, they're re-greening the desert, with mattocks and spades. The environment there is literally the end state of the doom visions of the greenies - a desert. No plants, no bees, no birds. And yet, millions of people are growing food there.

 

 

[tree-fancier123]

If man made climate change is real, then a multi year drought and famine would actually help if it knocked back the population. 

 

[Stere]

How do you not class the ongoing mass human caused species extinctions as enviromental collapse for example or do you think that is fake news?

 

I suppose similar has happened in the distant past but it was caused by  super volcanoes or a meteor impacts.

 

As for mass greening the desert is all very nice, but most westrn agri relies on both fossil fuel plus alot on fossil water reserves that are not  suistainable...indefinetly

 

Norman Borlung & the green revolution may have delayed the Malthus like predictions but thats doesn't mean such doom mongers could not be right longterm does it?

 

 

 

Unless you belive in some technological future fixes?

 

Already most world biomass is humans  or there farm animals.

 

Wild mammals make up only a few percent of the world’s mammals

OURWORLDINDATA.ORG

---

Livestock make up 62% of the world’s mammal biomass; humans account for 34%; and wild...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited Thursday at 10:09 by Stere

[GarethM]

3 minutes ago, Stere said:

How do you not class the ongoing mass human caused species extinctions as enviromental collapse for example or do you think that is fake news?

 

I suppose similar has happened in the distant past but it was caused by  super volcanoes or a meteor impacts.

 

As for mass greening the desert is all very nice, but most westrn agri relies on both fossil fuel plus alot on fossil water reserves that are not  suistainable...indefinetly

 

Norman Borlung & the green revolution may have delayed the Malthus like predictions but that's doesn't mean such doom mongers could not be right longterm does it?

 

Unless you believe in some technological future fixes?

 

Already most world biomass is humans  or there farm animals.

 

Wild mammals make up only a few percent of the world’s mammals

OURWORLDINDATA.ORG

---

Livestock make up 62% of the world’s mammal biomass; humans account for 34%; and wild...

Not in the UK though is it!.

 

1% global emissions, UK farming doesn't really use aquifers like in the USA for alfalfa.

 

We use a small amount of river abstraction and tap water for greenhouse growing things like tomatoes.

 

Control what you can control without throwing the baby out with the bathwater, which is what your post suggests.

[Mike Hill]

10 minutes ago, Stere said:

How do you not class the ongoing mass human caused species extinctions as enviromental collapse for example or do you think that is fake news?

 

I suppose similar has happened in the distant past but it was caused by  super volcanoes or a meteor impacts.

 

As for mass greening the desert is all very nice, but most westrn agri relies on both fossil fuel plus alot on fossil water reserves that are not  suistainable...indefinetly

 

Norman Borlung & the green revolution may have delayed the Malthus like predictions but thats doesn't mean such doom mongers could not be right longterm does it?

 

 

 

Unless you belive in some technological future fixes?

 

Already most world biomass is humans  or there farm animals.

 

Wild mammals make up only a few percent of the world’s mammals

OURWORLDINDATA.ORG

---

Livestock make up 62% of the world’s mammal biomass; humans account for 34%; and wild...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Have you seen any of this happening with your own eyes?

 

The mass human caused extinction I mean.

[tree-fancier123]

cod are nearly extinct now coz of all the massive trawlers, mammoths are nearly extinct coz of all the hunting

[GarethM]

3 minutes ago, tree-fancier123 said:

cod are nearly extinct now coz of all the massive trawlers, mammoths are nearly extinct coz of all the hunting

Yeah go check the registration of those trawlers, Edward they aren't local people.

[Stere]

Quote

Control what you can control without throwing the baby out with the bathwater, which is what your post suggests.

 

I was not debating  about what to do but the fact that he was denying its any  problem  that humans are now impacting nature so dramatically.

 

For your points on the UK its cheating by offshoring most of the dirty processes atm so that 1% figure is abit of a lie, and you didn't have an answer to maintain agri yields without fossil fuels and fossil fert.

Edited Thursday at 10:35 by Stere

[GarethM]

2 minutes ago, Stere said:

I was not debating  about what to do but the fact that he was denying its any  problem  that humans are now impacting nature so dramatically.

 

For your points on the UK its cheating by offshoring most of the dirty processes atm so that 1% figure is abit of a lie, and you didn't have an answer to maintain agri yields without fossil fuels and fossil fert.

He=I

 

We as a country are not the bad person!.

So how would you like farmers to harvest crops ?, do you not think they are doing it efficiently especially as fertiliser and fuel is horrendously expensive.

 

Think I saw something the other day on wheat Oz is 1ton to the acre, we do 4 ton with much much less inputs.

[Stere]

Quote

Have you seen any of this happening with your own eyes?

 

The mass human caused extinction I mean.

 

In the UK  larger wild fauna was mostly destroyed many centuries ago so now its only the smaller animals or plant left to dissapear so it isn't very noticable when some rare orchid or bumblebee species goes extinct is it?