Jokes???

[Mark Bolam]

I generally think we have mate.

 

I'm not saying we are necessarily doing everything right yet, but we are certainly taking steps.

I've even stopped burning tyres.

 

Unfortunately a lot of other countries just don't seem to care.

[Khriss]

No. Look out yr window. Cars far as eye can see. Pile of plastic shite in shops. N Supermarket driven packaged food. Not even off the starting chocks mate. K

Edited March 2, 2020 by Khriss
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[Mark Bolam]

I hear you Khriss, it won’t happen overnight, for sure.

 

The problem is what difference can our pisspotical little country make?

 

It’s got to be a global thing, and the big players aren’t in the game yet.

[Haironyourchest]

What will happen when the West reaches net zero, and the East is still emitting record breaking levels every year? We abandon fossil fuel, which reduces world demand, price dropps and the East and Africa, with their growing middle class can increasingly afford to use it? They don't have the same obedient liberal values as we do in the affluent West. You think every African/Asian doesn't aspire to owning an car? Having central heating etc? We *might* be able to eventually afford EVs but they never will. And to boot, if we do go all EV, there will be a world glut of cheaper-than-chips used petrol and diesel vehicles, which will make their dream achievable. Are we going to deny them the experience of mass middle classness that we once enjoyed? If so, how?

[Mick Dempsey]

1 minute ago, Haironyourchest said:

What will happen when the West reaches net zero, and the East is still emitting record breaking levels every year? We abandon fossil fuel, which reduces world demand, price dropps and the East and Africa, with their growing middle class can increasingly afford to use it? They don't have the same obedient liberal values as we do in the affluent West. You think every African/Asian doesn't aspire to owning an car? Having central heating etc? We *might* be able to eventually afford EVs but they never will. And to boot, if we do go all EV, there will be a world glut of cheaper-than-chips used petrol and diesel vehicles, which will make their dream achievable. Are we going to deny them the experience of mass middle classness that we once enjoyed? If so, how?

It’s a bit like picking up your dog shit, start by picking up your own dog shit, provide bins and bags so that others have less of an excuse to not pick up theirs. Fine and ostracize those who don’t.

Do all that and they’ll be a lot less on the streets.

 

Just saying that Chinese bloke doesn’t pick up his dog’s shit so I won’t is a lazy argument.

[Khriss]

@Hairyonyourchest  its the conundrum. We enjoyed 200 yrs of profligate use of minerals but we now being Neo Colonialists with Africa / China! K

[Haironyourchest]

4 minutes ago, Mick Dempsey said:

It’s a bit like picking up your dog shit, start by picking up your own dog shit, provide bins and bags so that others have less of an excuse to not pick up theirs. Fine and ostracize those who don’t.

Do all that and they’ll be a lot less on the streets.

 

Just saying that Chinese bloke doesn’t pick up his dog’s shit so I won’t is a lazy argument.

I understand your moral position, but we're not talking about dog shit. We're talking about the extinction clock ticking for ALL of us. And we only have 10 years left, or maybe it's already too late. So unless we stop the East and Africa in their tracks WE ARE ALL DOOMED. Some of us might be able to comfort ourselves as we figuratively burn to death that we 'did the right thing' but how many, really, can take comfort in knowing that, as their children and grandchildren, well...you know. How are they going to feel about the Chinese and Indians, with their cars in 10 years time?

 

[Mick Dempsey]

4 minutes ago, Haironyourchest said:

I understand your moral position, but we're not talking about dog shit. We're talking about the extinction clock ticking for ALL of us. And we only have 10 years left, or maybe it's already too late. So unless we stop the East and Africa in their tracks WE ARE ALL DOOMED. Some of us might be able to comfort ourselves as we figuratively burn to death that we 'did the right thing' but how many, really, can take comfort in knowing that, as their children and grandchildren, well...you know. How are they going to feel about the Chinese and Indians, with their cars in 10 years time?

 

Your projection of events assumes a lot, ie. Everything in the world remains the same except for the growth of electric vehicles in the West.

 If the West stopped using petrol/diesel, then it wouldn’t be worth the cost of extraction, China and Japan and Korea would be making electric vehicles for the lucrative western market.

I dunno, but as with the dog shit analogy, we (the affluent west) do it first, then they will follow....I hope.

 

[Gray git]

Let's get this thread back on track

[Gray git]