Logic of road tax?

[sime42]

9 minutes ago, Steven P said:

 

I'd tend to agree with that, it covers miles = more fuel but also environmental, more efficient = less fuel. I would have gone for a basic charge, £30 or £50 or something to cover the admin side of things registering the vehicles, up to date MOT check, the websites and so on and the rest on fuel.

 

However electric vehicles complicate that model.

 

It is possible to read the milometer annually and charge for that (after the car is old enough for an MOT), but sure if you can do this with modern cars but disconnect the cable and no speedo or milometer. Likewise a GPS thing in the car, a simple faradays cage over that will block the signal.

 

So if they want to go pay per mile then guess it is cameras and split the roads into some sort of cell system... the size of the cell can alter depending on the congestion, in the extremes of the country larger cells, travel further before triggering a camera, in the cities, smaller cells so you might only drive a couple of miles.

 

I don't think it entirely covers the environmental aspects. Fuel efficiency, and exhaust emissions, aren't the whole story. There's other stuff to consider like the amount of brake dust and tyre particles emitted - they've both increased in recent years with the fashion for SUVs and other overly big and overweight cars. That's the case for ICE and EV.

 

Domestic wood burning is probably the scapegoat for particulates coming from our roads. I'd rather the latter was targeted instead of trying to ban wood burners.

 

 

[GarethM]

How many tonnes of tax free jet fuel does a A380 use ?

[Steven P]

True, but I don't think you could cover all aspects all at once. Could add in a portion onto new tyres and brakes but then people might leave them longer before replacing them. EVs arn't quite as bad as reported with regenerative braking not using brake pads, however I get the point on them focussing on the wrong pollution for now.

 

Certainly a problem for those that create taxes to replace fuel taxes and not penalise those who don't have cars with taxes on domestic electric bills, same with car tax, what to do. I am just thinking that 5 to 10 years time the charging system will be different to what we have today - what to do to keep it reasonable, and unbiased.

[Steven P]

2 minutes ago, GarethM said:

How many tonnes of tax free jet fuel does a A380 use ?

 

Bigger problem that Asda doesn't have a runway yet.....

 

(a lot by the way)

[sime42]

4 minutes ago, GarethM said:

How many tonnes of tax free jet fuel does a A380 use ?

Too many.

[GarethM]

Well the Asda brothers did buy an airplane or two.

[spuddog0507]

13 hours ago, richy_B said:

 But the emissions from my 2015 4.5 litres Iveco 75 is considerably higher than my 1.9 litre 2023 grafter? My 1.3 corsa van is also £335 I believe and it is very low emission comparatively. 

 

I can't work out the logic behind it.

 

 

God knows, i would of thought the Corsa would be cheap to tax but obviously not, the emissions group which each van falls in to will be stated on the V5 doc, i think the taxation class system is like a lot of other systems in this country, been messed about with to improve em until they are about ****************ed and beyond recovery, The post office tells us a lot ATM about the state we have got to with electronic systems in this country, its simple really if its not broken don,t fix it,,

[openspaceman]

1 hour ago, sime42 said:

Domestic wood burning is probably the scapegoat for particulates coming from our roads

Particulates  from combustion have a different chemical signature from other particulates.

[GarethM]

Just now, spuddog0507 said:

God knows, i would of thought the Corsa would be cheap to tax but obviously not, the emissions group which each van falls in to will be stated on the V5 doc, i think the taxation class system is like a lot of other systems in this country, been messed about with to improve em until they are about ****************ed and beyond recovery, The post office tells us a lot ATM about the state we have got to with electronic systems in this country, its simple really if its not broken don,t fix it,,

The Corsa van will be classed as commercial, so that's the basic, probably euro 5 as our euro 6 pickup was £320 last week.

 

Simple solution is to buy a standard Corsa.

[Puffingbilly413]

26 minutes ago, openspaceman said:

Particulates  from combustion have a different chemical signature from other particulates.

It's all combustion be it from an engine or a stove, no?