HMRC punitively changing 4 door pickup rules

[parkertrees]

6 hours ago, PeteB said:

I'm doing the navel gazing at trucks ATM as I'm due a new GreenMech towtug - we will fall in to the category of P11D survivors until 2028 then we will have to reassess.

 

As an option on my wishlist, I suggested the two seat Commercial Ineos Grenadier, expensive but it has a 5 year, unlimited mileage warranty. Just been informed that it isn't Taco ready and Ineos say that if we find a workaround, it will void the warranty! So that is straight off the list! 

 

Great for towing on and off site, shame about the need for a tacho... I'm sure with enough interest INEOS will find a workaround for that, they are receptive to customer requests. Here's mine towing the 2.7t Bob onto a soggy field. Absolutely love it!

 

 

[Johnsond]

3 hours ago, Mark Bolam said:

That’s easy, just stick a 3t digger and attachments on a plant trailer like everyone else does.

 

Hey presto! 4000kg trailer.

I tried that once not with a digger but a load of granite chips on a 16ft tru axle behind a patrol. The feeling of dread as I was escorted to a weighbridge knowing I was over wasn’t very pleasant. 

[Johnsond]

1 hour ago, Botty Cough said:

All early Discovery's and most classic range rover use the same kit as defender if they are manually gearboxes. Axles etc brakes etc

Easy to get a trailer rated to 4000kg gross weight.

 

There are 12 models produced by land rover upto 1998 that have a 4000kg towing capacity 

 

Explain how to get a trailer rated to 4000kg without going the tacho and possibly o licence route, or exceeding the totall mass limits etc. That useless pick up of mine seems to do just fine towing a variety of trailers and has done since it left the dealers forecourt. The mill is bang on the legal limit. I’ve spent plenty of time behind the wheel of Solihull’s products in a  variety of countries. I was stupid enough to buy an ex welsh water 110 hardtop  once too in civvy street 😞 I soon realised the error of my ways. 

Edited February 19, 2024 by Johnsond

[difflock]

12 hours ago, Botty Cough said:

My 1998 range rover TDI is far more reliable than any of the import double cabs and just keeps going on and on and on ....

It has out lasted Navara, rodeo,dmax,ranger and Hilux by far which all have had complex problems.

It's simple , strong and above all ultimately cheap to run. Alongside the 4000kg towing capacity it's great off road.

It just can't be beaten for work by anything double cab at all, I've tried.

 

But overrun brakes max out at 3500Kg, in so far as I know, and I also understand, that therefore over 3500Kg one needs air brakes, which sounds like an expensive  additional cost to the towing vehicle(I doubt they were supplied c/w air brakes, as standard, and if so, at what cost?) plus the additional cost of the compatible air braked trailer.

[Stephen Blair]

Gooseneck and 5th wheel, the jeeps carrying capacity is added onto the trailers.  No idea about breaking systems over 3.5t, just something I read somewhere.  So you could get 4500kgs with the right trailer maybe? 

[difflock]

I longingly looked at and researched   8250 Kg GTW Iveco 5th wheel combos to max out trailer weights for us oldies with the grandfathered "blue" car licence entitlements.

But could not get Council managers to bite.

Too different.

Sigh.

[Stephen Blair]

The rules have just been reversed back to what they were, panick over people! 

[Stubby]

Just now, Stephen Blair said:

The rules have just been reversed back to what they were, panick over people! 

PHEW ! 😀

[Botty Cough]

@Jonsend@Johnsond

Land Rover Discovery (1989 - 1998) 300 Tdi 3d	750kg	4000kg
Land Rover Discovery (1989 - 1998) 300 Tdi 3d Auto	750kg	4000kg
Land Rover Discovery (1989 - 1998) 300 Tdi 5d	750kg	4000kg
Land Rover Discovery (1989 - 1998) 300 Tdi 5d Auto	750kg	4000kg
Land Rover Discovery (1989 - 1998) 300 Tdi Arden 5d	750kg	3500kg (3.5t)
Land Rover Discovery (1989 - 1998) 300 Tdi Arden 5d Auto	750kg	3500kg (3.5t)
Land Rover Discovery (1989 - 1998) 300 Tdi Argyll 3d	750kg	4000kg
Land Rover Discovery (1989 - 1998) 300 Tdi Argyll 3d Auto	750kg	4000kg
Land Rover Discovery (1989 - 1998) 300 Tdi Argyll 5d	750kg	3500kg (3.5t)
Land Rover Discovery (1989 - 1998) 300 Tdi Argyll 5d Auto	750kg	3500kg (3.5t)
Land Rover Discovery (1989 - 1998) 300 Tdi Aviemore 5d	750kg	3500kg (3.5t)
Land Rover Discovery (1989 - 1998) 300 Tdi Aviemore 5d Auto	750kg	3500kg (3.5t)
Land Rover Discovery (1989 - 1998) 300 Tdi ES 5d	750kg	4000kg
Land Rover Discovery (1989 - 1998) 300 Tdi ES 5d Auto	750kg	4000kg
Land Rover Discovery (1989 - 1998) 300 Tdi GS 5d	750kg	4000kg
Land Rover Discovery (1989 - 1998) 300 Tdi GS 5d Auto	750kg	4000kg
Land Rover Discovery (1989 - 1998) 300 Tdi S 5d	750kg	4000kg
Land Rover Discovery (1989 - 1998) 300 Tdi S 5d Auto	750kg	4000kg
Land Rover Discovery (1989 - 1998) 300 Tdi XS 3d	750kg	4000kg
Land Rover Discovery (1989 - 1998) 300 Tdi XS 3d Auto	750kg	-

Various models at 4000kg

All relevant information available from land rover.

Edited February 19, 2024 by Botty Cough

[sime42]

43 minutes ago, Stephen Blair said:

The rules have just been reversed back to what they were, panick over people! 

Thank goodness, I've not slept for days!