Is there any reason for not sharing a vehicle VIN

[difflock]

5 minutes ago, ChrisNewport said:

He took it off before it was sold.

I figured the auctioneer wisley removed the VIN plate, to prevent "interested parties" from photographing or otherwise copying it while obstensibly viewing the vehicle with a claimed interest in bidding. After I wondered why he did simply not blank it over with tape. And then reaffixed the plate once the vehicle was sold.

There has also been some soul searching about classic rare Ferraris, being resurrected from little more than the (presumably brass) chassis plate, like one that was fished out of an Alpine lake after many years immersion. 

[GarethM]

It doesn't work like that on old vehicles, the vin plate/v5 is the valuable asset, obviously you pay more if it's functional Vs a baggy with just a vin plate.

 

In the old days nothing was really traceable or serialised, even engines were just sand casting numbers.

 

Which is why with the vin details you can apply for the paperwork, number plate etc. Whilst it would be technically possible to clone the details, it would flag up as a sale once the DVLA get informed.

Edited July 29, 2022 by GarethM

[difflock]

49 minutes ago, GarethM said:

It doesn't work like that on old vehicles, the vin plate/v5 is the valuable asset, obviously you pay more if it's functional Vs a baggy with just a vin plate.

 

In the old days nothing was really traceable or serialised, even engines were just sand casting numbers.

 

Which is why with the vin details you can apply for the paperwork, number plate etc. Whilst it would be technically possible to clone the details, it would flag up as a sale once the DVLA get informed.

I had figured that all the talk about cloning, is perhaps not relevant, since the DVLA would immediately(I hope?) pick up on a 2nd identical VIN, so clone the number plates to avoid speed camera fines, yes, fine, but those cloned number plates will most likely be affixed to an otherwise kosher DVLA registered vehicle, yes?

[trigger_andy]

45 minutes ago, difflock said:

I had figured that all the talk about cloning, is perhaps not relevant, since the DVLA would immediately(I hope?) pick up on a 2nd identical VIN, so clone the number plates to avoid speed camera fines, yes, fine, but those cloned number plates will most likely be affixed to an otherwise kosher DVLA registered vehicle, yes?

Cloning classics does not work that way. They get the vin from a desirable model then take a base model and transfer all the parts at make the desirable model desirable over to the base model and suddenly the rusted out wreck of the desirable model that would never get back on the road again is. 
 

Although it’s heavily frowned upon the reality of the matter is in the factory they where all base models til the goodies where added and the desirable options made the rare cars rare. So to me swapping the bits over like the Diff, Engine, brakes, trim to give the rare car a new lease of life with a fresh shell is not the end of the world. A rebody should be allowed in these circumstances. 

[difflock]

2 minutes ago, trigger_andy said:

Cloning classics does not work that way. They get the vin from a desirable model then take a base model and transfer all the parts at make the desirable model desirable over to the base model and suddenly the rusted out wreck of the desirable model that would never get back on the road again is. 
 

Although it’s heavily frowned upon the reality of the matter is in the factory they where all base models til the goodies where added and the desirable options made the rare cars rare. So to me swapping the bits over like the Diff, Engine, brakes, trim to give the rare car a new lease of life with a fresh shell is not the end of the world. A rebody should be allowed in these circumstances. 

As I expressed it, a purely pragmatic approach, as long as the owner is honest about the vehicles provenance?

[GarethM]

Yeap, the old smell test 🙂

[Conor Wright]

3 hours ago, difflock said:

His VIN will not lead him to the throttle assembly gubbins as fitted to my rather rare  RHD turbodiesel, (being only 1 of 30 sold in the UK, and the rest were near all car types except the few sold to Sussex Fire Brigade, which again were different in respect of payloads, extra long wheelbases, HD axles etc, my van being essentially the same running gear as the standard 5 door car type, except with kastenwagen=van bodywork ), which throttle assembly gubbins he wishes to mate to the electronic controlled IP on the OM606 transplant engine.

Cheers all

mth

Sounds legit to me, not that I'm an expert (on anything!) 

I do like to see the rarer vehicles being kept alive. 

Was at a classic car show recently and it was almost all beetles, cortinas, Morris minors etc.

Probably about a dozen "rare" machines. There was a Schluter tractor, an unusual beast!

 

(Think there were a few escorts too but the missus was with me so I couldn't have a proper look!) 

[rodp]

8 hours ago, GarethM said:

Generally, those sold on eBay would be sold as show plates.

 

Whilst they are a number plate the police and MOT tester can fail them, as they usually don't have the BS Standard logo, supplier details etc.

They just copy the garage details etc from another plate, and if paid for with cash then it's untraceable really.

[scbk]

10 hours ago, GarethM said:

Generally, those sold on eBay would be sold as show plates.

 

Whilst they are a number plate the police and MOT tester can fail them, as they usually don't have the BS Standard logo, supplier details etc.

 

I've bought loads of plates over the years from ebay/amazon, I've never once shown any paperwork (it would take me long enough to find the papers!!)

All the plates I've got are fully road legal with BS numbers, suppliers details, font, sizing etc, delivered to your door for £10/£15 a pair.

 

Yes the suppliers are supposed to ask you to send in a v5 and id.

 

I was once stuck and needed a trailer numberplate for the following morning so I just ran one up on the vinyl cutter, you can get the official font online, I didn't have any reflective yellow so it was daytime use only 

 

 

 

Any proper criminal will be making the plates themselves, or use another criminal friend, so there's no records.

Or just pinch them off a parked car, save on the ££ 

[Rich Rule]

A VIN number can be quite valuable.

 

Or at least they used to be.

 

Caveat: I did grow up in the Car Crime capital of UK, Aka teeside.