Ivy IS a real problem

[CambridgeJC]

If you think ivy has become invasive within the woodlands and hedgerows then please contribute to this forum. 
If you have constructive ideas how to control (not eradicate) ivy please let us know. Thanks. John

[Rich Rule]

Speaking from experience.

 

I used to contract to a firm that managed the gardens and open spaces of a museum in South London.  They also had a nature area, completely left alone apart from major deadwood over the footpaths.

 

They got an Ecologist in quite a few years ago to plan and manage works on the nature area.  We heard he was a friend of the trustees, but I am not 100% on that.

 

His recommendation was to leave all IVY for habitat.  Which we did.  The problem with this is is engulfed the place and shaded out lots of the areas under the trees.  It (and more importantly IMO ) cover over lots of unions and defects in the trees and for a few years these defects went unnoticed until a number of big failures.  Stems failing and trees going over into the neighbouring properties and this led to uncovering further urgent work that needed to be done.

 

Of course the Ecologist had recommended the use of heavy machinery to be non.  SO we were left with large trees failing onto properties in South London.  We had to try and make safe without heavy machinery.

 

The whole thing was a pain in the rear end.

 

After a number of very costly claims I do believe (IIRC) they had a different outlook toward the Ecological consultant.

[Mark J]

20 minutes ago, Rich Rule said:

Speaking from experience.

 

I used to contract to a firm that managed the gardens and open spaces of a museum in South London.  They also had a nature area, completely left alone apart from major deadwood over the footpaths.

 

They got an Ecologist in quite a few years ago to plan and manage works on the nature area.  We heard he was a friend of the trustees, but I am not 100% on that.

 

His recommendation was to leave all IVY for habitat.  Which we did.  The problem with this is is engulfed the place and shaded out lots of the areas under the trees.  It (and more importantly IMO ) cover over lots of unions and defects in the trees and for a few years these defects went unnoticed until a number of big failures.  Stems failing and trees going over into the neighbouring properties and this led to uncovering further urgent work that needed to be done.

 

Of course the Ecologist had recommended the use of heavy machinery to be non.  SO we were left with large trees failing onto properties in South London.  We had to try and make safe without heavy machinery.

 

The whole thing was a pain in the rear end.

 

After a number of very costly claims I do believe (IIRC) they had a different outlook toward the Ecological consultant.

In areas of high occupancy I will specify that ivy needs to be removed before I'll inspect a tree.

[doobin]

What’s wrong with your last thread making this argument? You realise that people are just as likely to disagree with you in this thread too, right? 
 

 

[Doug Tait]

41 minutes ago, doobin said:

What’s wrong with your last thread making this argument? You realise that people are just as likely to disagree with you in this thread too, right? 
 

 

Maybe the intention is to create two separate echo chambers so the believers can save the countryside from the Ivy menace untroubled by any disagreement.

 

Makes little sense to have a thread (the "Ivy is NOT a problem" thread) where people can put forward ideas to control a problem they don't think exists. 

[CambridgeJC]

20 minutes ago, Doug Tait said:

Maybe the intention is to create two separate echo chambers so the believers can save the countryside from the Ivy menace untroubled by any disagreement.

 

Makes little sense to have a thread (the "Ivy is NOT a problem" thread) where people can put forward ideas to control a problem they don't think exists. 

It makes sense on the basis that I guess  even those who think ivy does not represent a problem probably still understand it needs to be controlled in some way. 

The problem still exists as to how to approach effective control when there is so much growth everywhere nowadays. 
Does this make sense now?  I posted both to accommodate both positions and in my attempt to obtain engagement from both initial sides of the argument. Thanks for all comments no matter whether they agreewith my personal fears about ivy. 

[Doug Tait]

6 minutes ago, CambridgeJC said:

It makes sense on the basis that I guess  even those who think ivy does not represent a problem probably still understand it needs to be controlled in some way. 

The problem still exists as to how to approach effective control when there is so much growth everywhere nowadays. 
Does this make sense now?  I posted both to accommodate both positions and in my attempt to obtain engagement from both initial sides of the argument. Thanks for all comments no matter whether they agreewith my personal fears about ivy. 

Sorry JC, I'm not trying to be confrontational, but why would people that believe Ivy is not a problem feel the need to control it anyway?

[Steve Bullman]

44 minutes ago, CambridgeJC said:

It makes sense on the basis that I guess  even those who think ivy does not represent a problem probably still understand it needs to be controlled in some way. 

The problem still exists as to how to approach effective control when there is so much growth everywhere nowadays. 
Does this make sense now?  I posted both to accommodate both positions and in my attempt to obtain engagement from both initial sides of the argument. Thanks for all comments no matter whether they agreewith my personal fears about ivy. 

We’ve been controlling it for years 

[CambridgeJC]

37 minutes ago, Doug Tait said:

Sorry JC, I'm not trying to be confrontational, but why would people that believe Ivy is not a problem feel the need to control it anyway?

I know you’re not being confrontational. You have good points. However just ask yourself…have you ever taken any action to remove or cut ivy back?  You then have your answer. You must surely have decided that it needed control. 
My contention is rather that ivy has started to take on a more sinister habit which will eventually lead to real difficulties for landowners across the country. You either agree or disagree. I am trying to discover the consensus opinion of arborists on this forum. Hope you can agree this is worth the effort. Thanks 

[Mick Dempsey]

 

46 minutes ago, Doug Tait said:

Sorry JC, I'm not trying to be confrontational, but why would people that believe Ivy is not a problem feel the need to control it anyway?

You’re just a paid shill for Big Ivy.