Future Firewood Demand Optimism?

[Dan Maynard]

That's 3.63 cubic metres for $700, which at $190 a cubic metre doesn't look as bad but still not cheap.

 

[Steve Bullman]

1 minute ago, Dan Maynard said:

That's 3.63 cubic metres for $700, which at $190 a cubic metre doesn't look as bad but still not cheap.

 

You have to also consider that being America most of those logs are probably going to be 2ft lengths, so a lot lot quicker to process a load 

[neiln]

Probably more likely 16" logs. It's not an agreed definition but a lot go on 3 face cord makes a cord, so 16" logs.  Plus that'll for l fit in any us stove but bigger than 18" would be too long for many.

 

$700 per cord is well over double what many are used to paying over there, but just as here, gas, electricity and oil is up, wood is following

 

[neiln]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62318376

 

I fear that you guys selling wood have undersold and continue to.  £200/m³ hardwood would be a decent deal, £250 still not bad.  Trouble is getting your competition and your customers to agree, but with gas, electricity and presumably oil up by of the order of 400% in 12-18 months, a 200-250% rise to logs would seem very fair.

[trigger_andy]

37 minutes ago, neiln said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62318376

 

I fear that you guys selling wood have undersold and continue to.  £200/m³ hardwood would be a decent deal, £250 still not bad.  Trouble is getting your competition and your customers to agree, but with gas, electricity and presumably oil up by of the order of 400% in 12-18 months, a 200-250% rise to logs would seem very fair.

The customers don’t have to agree, just the competition. Just look at Pump prices, I doubt any customer agrees there. 
 

And careful what you wish for. At £250 a cube I doubt you’d get any logs dropped of for free. 

[neiln]

Wishing?  Not me. I don't sell and don't want to see anyone in fuel poverty.

I had to turn down logs least week though, so a drop in demand for tip site use can be catered for.

 

Some customers don't need to agree, but those that have alternative heating do.  If they think logs are costly they don't buy surely.

Edited July 27, 2022 by neiln

[trigger_andy]

9 hours ago, neiln said:

Not me. I don't sell and don't want to see anyone in fuel poverty.

Not wishing to see anyone in fuel poverty then suggesting those that sell firewood on here should drastically increase their prices? OK.  

[neiln]

 Energy cap prices have risen by 12% last October, 54% last march, predicted to rise 78% this October and then further in January. That's 309% October to October. Most users were on deals well below the cap but with supplier firms going bust and fixed price deals ending, most users are now on the cap so factor that rise in too and users will have seen 350-400% rise in the cost of gas and electric with more to come.  While log producers haven't seen cost increases of anything like that you have seen cost increases and like everyone a cost of living increase of 10 ish %

I'm suggesting a rise in the cost of logs 150% less than that for gas and electricity is fair as log producers have had very low margins and profit, deserve more, costs up so need more, and energy costs all round are up, but balancing against price gouging by a much lower increase than elsewhere in the energy sector.  Log producers are not charities after all so profit is not a duty word, they deserve to earn a living too.  Although I could make an exception for some 😉

Edited July 28, 2022 by neiln

[Capetown]

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Edited July 28, 2022 by Capetown
poor spelling

[trigger_andy]

3 hours ago, Capetown said:

G. B. National Grid status

WWW.GRIDWATCH.TEMPLAR.CO.UK

Apologies to anyone who has this website on their favourites. It gives an almost real time picture of whats contributing to the National Grid including imports/exports to and from the continent. We are very reliant on gas to power the grid! CCGT are gas powered.

Thank you NG for keeping me in the life I am accustomed to. 🤣🤣🤣