Getting rid of ivy!!

[Khriss]

20 hours ago, Stubby said:

I think it is as I posted earlier . It has small leaves when it is ground cover and they gradually change to the larger different shaped ones as it climbs . 

Why , do you think its because it can photosynthesize better  - who would have thought .. K

[Stubby]

Just now, Khriss said:

Why , do you think its because it can photosynthesize better  - who would have thought .. K

I dunno Khris . Never thought about why . It just is matey . 🙂

Edited February 7, 2022 by Stubby

[DanHorrich87]

53 minutes ago, CambridgeJC said:

I find the link here which helps understand the growth habits of ivies etc. Really worth a read.

 

https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Heteroblasty--a+review.-a0259155098

 

 

 

 

Here are two images of the same tree. 
Any ideas how old this ivy is?

In this case it has clearly not killed the tree but there are so many examples that act as sails on more vulnerable slender trees. This is when there is a clear and present danger from falling trees. Can you really say there is no problem with ivy???

 

By the way. I now believe the two leaf types are from the same plant in most cases where both apparently exist on the same tree. And in the uk probably Hedera helix. Please correct me if you are absolutely certain of your facts. Thanks 

Good find. I work in woodlands. It's not like formal gardening. Ivy of this age has scarcity value. Would you cut this ivy to save its tree scaffold?

[CambridgeJC]

2 minutes ago, DanHorrich87 said:

Good find. I work in woodlands. It's not like formal gardening. Ivy of this age has scarcity value. Would you cut this ivy to save its tree scaffold?

Absolutely not. As the tree is seemingly strong and surviving and not posing a threat as it’s in woodland then I would leave well alone and cite it as a special case. I am not one of you arborists. I am a retired scientist with an amateur and increasing interest in ivy and its potential threat to the environment. Thanks. 

[DanHorrich87]

7 minutes ago, CambridgeJC said:

Absolutely not. As the tree is seemingly strong and surviving and not posing a threat as it’s in woodland then I would leave well alone and cite it as a special case. I am not one of you arborists. I am a retired scientist with an amateur and increasing interest in ivy and its potential threat to the environment. Thanks. 

Good. You used the phrase "clear and present danger" which suggested you weren't just a researcher 😂

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

1 hour ago, CambridgeJC said:

Absolutely not. As the tree is seemingly strong and surviving and not posing a threat as it’s in woodland then I would leave well alone and cite it as a special case. I am not one of you arborists. I am a retired scientist with an amateur and increasing interest in ivy and its potential threat to the environment. Thanks. 

An interesting test case - which presents the greater ecological value, the ivy or the tree which hosts it. 

Im a vote for the Ivy!
 

Remove the Ivy to save the tree from blowing over or leave the ivy at risk the tree might blow over removing or partially removing the scaffold for the Ivy, or just leave it all alone to do it’s own self optimisation....  Meanwhile, bees, beasties, bats and moths enjoy the habitat. 
 

Could you clarify what you meant by:

 

“...an amateur and increasing interest in ivy and its potential threat to the environment...”

 

Are you saying you see Ivy as a threat to the environment or have I miss read your intent?

 

 

[CambridgeJC]

7 minutes ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

An interesting test case - which presents the greater ecological value, the ivy or the tree which hosts it. 

Im a vote for the Ivy!
 

Remove the Ivy to save the tree from blowing over or leave the ivy at risk the tree might blow over removing or partially removing the scaffold for the Ivy, or just leave it all alone to do it’s own self optimisation....  Meanwhile, bees, beasties, bats and moths enjoy the habitat. 
 

Could you clarify what you meant by:

 

“...an amateur and increasing interest in ivy and its potential threat to the environment...”

 

Are you saying you see Ivy as a threat to the environment or have I miss read your intent?

 

 

Yes. Misread or rather I was not clear. Sorry. If ivy is allowed to go rampant then like any other invasive species it can cause major disruption to the stability of its local ecology. Not environment. That’s what I am concerned about. Thanks 

[Mick Dempsey]

10 minutes ago, CambridgeJC said:

Yes. Misread or rather I was not clear. Sorry. If ivy is allowed to go rampant then like any other invasive species it can cause major disruption to the stability of its local ecology. Not environment. That’s what I am concerned about. Thanks 

It’s not an invasive species. You’re beginning to seem a bit unhinged.

[Stere]

Tom Clancy fan?

 

Increasing liana frequency in temperate European forest understories is driven by ivy

 

https://esajournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/fee.2266

 

Like the word “lianification”

 

Edited February 7, 2022 by Stere

[CambridgeJC]

9 minutes ago, Mick Dempsey said:

It’s not an invasive species. You’re beginning to seem a bit unhinged.

Steady on there. I am not alone in my opinion of ivy needing considered and proportionate control. I understand and respect that you have a different opinion. You have a right to that as we all do. But unhinged???