Getting rid of ivy!!

[Stubby]

37 minutes ago, CambridgeJC said:

Yes. Misread or rather I was not clear. Sorry. If ivy is allowed to go rampant then like any other invasive species it can cause major disruption to the stability of its local ecology. Not environment. That’s what I am concerned about. Thanks 

The Ruddy duck is an invasive species , interbreeding with our white headed duck and producing fertile hybrid ducks making a mess of the species .  Ivy is just ivy .

[gary112]

20 minutes ago, Stubby said:

The Ruddy duck is an invasive species , interbreeding with our white headed duck and producing fertile hybrid ducks making a mess of the species .  Ivy is just ivy .

Quack Quack

[Mick Dempsey]

1 hour ago, CambridgeJC said:

Steady on there. I am not alone in my opinion of ivy needing considered and proportionate control. I understand and respect that you have a different opinion. You have a right to that as we all do. But unhinged??? 

Yes unhinged.

I don’t understand your opinion and I have no respect for it, why should I?

You don’t seem to have any understanding of the subject apart from a couple of walks in the countryside.

 

 

Edited February 7, 2022 by Mick Dempsey

[Wonky]

I had a skim through this thread.   Well all I can say ivy is like marmite.. small amounts is ok , it’s slow growing.

it will take out the slower growing trees in a wood, given 1/2 a chance. Which may well survive if it wasn’t on them.

 

it is also a heavy load on a tree in the winter. The 1987 hurricane proved this and took out a lot of trees as they still had leaves on them. Ivy is evergreen.
 

it will kill trees given half a chance. It will help the tree die sooner if it has other problems.
 

If you go into a woodland area with and without ivy, you will notice the difference in the amount of light, come summer or winter. This has an effect on the other fawna & flora growth.

 

it may be good and proved habitat & food , but like most things it needs to be curtailed at some point if it gains to much of a hold.. and  most times it’s to late for  the tree .

 

 

so  is it marmite or Vegemite, I don’t like either. But it’s not the end of the world if a little is added into a stew pot as it adds some flavour to the stew.😉 

 

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

2 hours ago, Mick Dempsey said:

It’s not an invasive species. You’re beginning to seem a bit unhinged.

According to the NNSS - some are. 
 

We could discuss invasive v non native but I’m not convinced it’d pay dividends. 
 

Non-native Species Information - GB non-native species secretariat

WWW.NONNATIVESPECIES.ORG

1 hour ago, Stere said:

Tom Clancy fan?

 

Increasing liana frequency in temperate European forest understories is driven by ivy

 

https://esajournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/fee.2266

 

Like the word “lianification”

 

Who in the name of all that is Holy has the time / money to worry about this sort of thing?

 

Given the magnitude of increases in understory ivy frequency and its possible impacts, scientists, policy makers, and resource managers must be mindful of the patterns, processes, and implications of potential “lianification” of temperate forests.

 

I’m standing by @Stubby ‘s approach.  If it walks like a duck, if it quacks like a duck, if it swims like a duck...... It’s probably a duck 

 

(substitute ivy for duck and teach for the silky in many circumstances)

1 hour ago, CambridgeJC said:

Steady on there. I am not alone in my opinion of ivy needing considered and proportionate control. I understand and respect that you have a different opinion. You have a right to that as we all do. But unhinged??? 

We’re simple folk here JC. 
 

Often times someone with high falutin scientific knowledge happens by but....
 

....A bit like the Middle Ages (when witches were (possibly) just poor misunderstood souls persecuted for their irregular knowledge and practices) empirical scientific data and demonstrable evidence based, peer reviewed facts are rarely welcome here. 
 

It upsets the natives 🧑🏻‍🌾🔥

 

{if you can fight through the early perception of prickliness and stay the course - stay long enough for folks to get used to having you around maybe, then the real insults will start - stick around pal, it’s a blast 😂👍🏻

Just don’t show fear, treat it like a wild dog - maintain eye contact, hold your ground, if you have to back away, and only if you really have to, back away slowly, confidently and, ideally, with a whiff of Gallic indifference as if you have somewhere better to be anyway...)

 

 

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

4 minutes ago, Wonky said:

I had a skim through this thread.   Well all I can say ivy is like marmite.. small amounts is ok , it’s slow growing.

it will take out the slower growing trees in a wood, given 1/2 a chance. Which may well survive if it wasn’t on them.

 

it is also a heavy load on a tree in the winter. The 1987 hurricane proved this and took out a lot of trees as they still had leaves on them. Ivy is evergreen.
 

it will kill trees given half a chance. It will help the tree die sooner if it has other problems.
 

If you go into a woodland area with and without ivy, you will notice the difference in the amount of light, come summer or winter. This has an effect on the other fawna & flora growth.

 

it may be good and proved habitat & food , but like most things it needs to be curtailed at some point if it gains to much of a hold.. and  most times it’s to late for  the tree .

 

 

so  is it marmite or Vegemite, I don’t like either. But it’s not the end of the world if a little is added into a stew pot as it adds some flavour to the stew.😉 

 

I had a cheese and marmite pasty today - won’t be doing that again....

[CambridgeJC]

40 minutes ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

According to the NNSS - some are. 
 

We could discuss invasive v non native but I’m not convinced it’d pay dividends. 
 

Non-native Species Information - GB non-native species secretariat

WWW.NONNATIVESPECIES.ORG

Who in the name of all that is Holy has the time / money to worry about this sort of thing?

 

Given the magnitude of increases in understory ivy frequency and its possible impacts, scientists, policy makers, and resource managers must be mindful of the patterns, processes, and implications of potential “lianification” of temperate forests.

 

I’m standing by @Stubby ‘s approach.  If it walks like a duck, if it quacks like a duck, if it swims like a duck...... It’s probably a duck 

 

(substitute ivy for duck and teach for the silky in many circumstances)

We’re simple folk here JC. 
 

Often times someone with high falutin scientific knowledge happens by but....
 

....A bit like the Middle Ages (when witches were (possibly) just poor misunderstood souls persecuted for their irregular knowledge and practices) empirical scientific data and demonstrable evidence based, peer reviewed facts are rarely welcome here. 
 

It upsets the natives 🧑🏻‍🌾🔥

 

{if you can fight through the early perception of prickliness and stay the course - stay long enough for folks to get used to having you around maybe, then the real insults will start - stick around pal, it’s a blast 😂👍🏻

Just don’t show fear, treat it like a wild dog - maintain eye contact, hold your ground, if you have to back away, and only if you really have to, back away slowly, confidently and, ideally, with a whiff of Gallic indifference as if you have somewhere better to be anyway...)

 

 

Thanks for your more educated comments. 
By the way…ducks don’t swim🤣🤣🤣

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

1 hour ago, CambridgeJC said:

Thanks for your more educated comments. 
By the way…ducks don’t swim🤣🤣🤣

What do they do then, float?  Isn't that swimming anyway??  What do they do when they are under water then, that's not floating...?

[CambridgeJC]

2 minutes ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

What do they do then, float?  Isn't that swimming anyway??  What do they do when they are under water then, that's not floating...?

We could have fun with this but let’s just say I accept your comments in good spirit. I am not an arborist. Does this mean I am dabbling in a forum that I should avoid? You sounded encouraging…

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

12 minutes ago, CambridgeJC said:

We could have fun with this but let’s just say I accept your comments in good spirit. I am not an arborist. Does this mean I am dabbling in a forum that I should avoid? You sounded encouraging…

No, no, not at all! I was encouraging - it is the diversity and challenge to accepted norms which add the most interest. 
 

I struggle to stay focussed on some of the more serious issues - life’s too short. Just having fun.