Day rates when things go wrong..

[topchippyles]

3 minutes ago, Mark J said:

You can always throw more people/kit at job, making a 'days' work into a half day.
If I was getting a contractor in on a day rate the amount of expected days would be agreed before hand. If we finished a day ahead of schedule the contractor would still get the days.
If the contactor took four days to do the agreed three days work, they'd get three days money.

That is not a day rate is it mark ? that is an agreed price for days the will job will take between both parties. 

Edited June 6, 2021 by topchippyles

[Mark J]

Just now, topchippyles said:

That is not a day rate is it mark ? that is an agreed price for days job with take between both parties. 

Can you elaborate? I'm not sure what you mean.

 

[topchippyles]

1 minute ago, Mark J said:

Can you elaborate? I'm not sure what you mean.

 

Your are really agreeing a price before hand not a day rate 

[Mark J]

2 minutes ago, topchippyles said:

Your are really agreeing a price before hand not a day rate 

Nope, you agree on a fee for the duration of the contract. A contract can be hours, days or years.

Edited June 6, 2021 by Mark J

[topchippyles]

4 minutes ago, Mark J said:

Nope, you agree on a fee for the duration of the contract. A contract can be hours, days or years.

How long is a piece of string scenario. I sub contract to 2 firms from time to time and my day rate is £25 hourly as a chippy or £200 a day so how ever many days/hrs i work that is what i get paid regardless of how long a job takes. That is why its called a day rate 

[josharb87]

20 minutes ago, topchippyles said:

That is not a day rate is it mark ? that is an agreed price for days the will job will take between both parties. 

Agreed

 

Day rate would mean paying for the 4 days Mark, asking for day price, multiplying it by the estimated time - 3 days, and locking the price is now a fixed price.

 

[topchippyles]

4 minutes ago, josharb87 said:

Agreed

 

Day rate would mean paying for the 4 days Mark, asking for day price, multiplying it by the estimated time - 3 days, and locking the price is now a fixed price.

 

Totally josh which is why a lot of the lads have mentioned they avoid it where possible. Day rate is used in construction a lot so different to arb work. Big J uses guys on hourly rates i believe but then that is cutters in forestry work. 

[eggsarascal]

18 minutes ago, topchippyles said:

How long is a piece of string scenario. I sub contract to 2 firms from time to time and my day rate is £25 hourly as a chippy or £200 a day so how ever many days/hrs i work that is what i get paid regardless of how long a job takes. That is why its called a day rate 

Correct, and the same money when not using my equipment, hand/power tools aside.

[Mark J]

I take it on board that a day rate over a fixed period time doesn't equate to a day rate.

I don't know many freelance climbers who have an hourly rate.

[drinksloe]

On 06/06/2021 at 21:07, Mark J said:

I take it on board that a day rate over a fixed period time doesn't equate to a day rate.

I don't know many freelance climbers who have an hourly rate.

 

Not that I'm in ARB, but if u were on by hour as a freelancer if u knock work out early, which is often the case u would be losing half a day's pay quite often with very little chance of fitting in jobs off ur own as I'll never know wot is planned for u n advance.

So impossible to line up any other jobs in advance

 

In my area most forestry cutters are just on a day rate, if u speak to a new prospective employer they usually ask how much for the day and how long it usually is.

Bit different with forestry hand cutting as usually plenty of work to fill ur day in, not that often u run out of trees. 

But it does happen, finish an edge/steep slope early and not worth walking to next trees, but most harvester drivers don't mind u leaving early occasionally just as u stay on to finish jobs some nights and never charge extra.

Bloody hell I worked to 7.30 1 Fri nite and never charged any extra, swings and roundabouts.

But in reality hour Vs day rate won't matter to much as ur day rate will just be ur usual day length multiplied by hour rate. If doing longer days ur day rate will be higher.