Larch price

[Stubby]

1 hour ago, Khriss said:

 

 

PS I know fvvk all abt milling 😉 K

But a nice cup of tea and a Victoria sponge ...well 😁 

[Khriss]

1 hour ago, Stubby said:

But a nice cup of tea and a Victoria sponge ...well 😁 

I will have you know just enjoyed nice Argentinian steak house down the road - just opened - absolutely spot on but 100 squids were involved and i dont eat calamari. K

[topchippyles]

1 hour ago, Big J said:

 

Morayshire just grows really good timber. Lots of sunlight in summer, cold winters and fairly well sheltered on account of the Cairngorm. 

 

 

My comments related simply to timber quality. The growth rates of timber down here are bonkers, and unparalleled within the UK. It just doesn't translate to quality unfortunately. 

Big J i am picking through a local woods filled with larch and out of 20 felled logs i would have taken 5 and work in progress. Great lot to deal with and a charity cause but it needs to be cost effective to 

[trigger_andy]

 
My comments related simply to timber quality. The growth rates of timber down here are bonkers, and unparalleled within the UK. It just doesn't translate to quality unfortunately. 

So you’re excluding the highlands from your U.K. wide report? 🤣

[trigger_andy]

 
It's still relatively poor quality in the Highlands - just good compared to the rest of the UK (for conifer, in the main).
 
The wind is the biggest issue, I feel. We just have so so much more here than continental Europe, Scandinavia and I presume North America. Wood under constant wind stress has to compensate in ways that don't make for a good saw log.

I’ve never really considered Scotland to be windy? On the coast perhaps.

In a managed forest I’d have thought only the trees on the edges would be affected badly by the wind. Would the trees further in not be ok?

[Mike Hill]

22 hours ago, Big J said:

And WRC grown down here in the West Country can't hold a candle to the stuff I've felled and milled from the Highlands or Morayshire. 

 

It's the lack of a dormant season (mild winters) combined with continuous wind stress (causing compression and tension wood growth, as well as much larger basal diameters) combined with the lack of quality sunlight (causing more substantial branch growth) that gives us our often dodgy quality timber in the UK. 

That's weird.

 

The softwood in the Pacific North West is world renowned. Despite the mild winters,hot summers and windy coastal climate?

 

 

[tree_beard]

5 minutes ago, Mike Hill said:

That's weird.

 

The softwood in the Pacific North West is world renowned. Despite the mild winters,hot summers and windy coastal climate?

 

 

Native species grown in their native range from local seedstock in the PNW. Compared to stock selected for high growth and survival rate, planted in marginal ground and chronically mismanaged for generations in the UK. Its politics as much as weather

[Mike Hill]

No

 

The highest quality timber can come 30m from the sea.

 

What do you mean about the quality of their summer being better?

[arcwoodlands]

Lot of what you are saying is wrong or much more nuanced. FC wind maps show Scotland generally more windy than southern UK. Just because you had a nice stand in Moray doesn't mean West Country worse. Read the what the wood scientist says about speed of growth in relation to strength, which I assume you are using as the measure of "quality"? Yes wind creates tension and yes the continent is generally less windy but its a bit more complex

[arcwoodlands]

It doesn't matter how you would describe yourself but as somone who falls trees as well as mills them your experience is hard won. Check the Edinburgh napier wood science blog. Some of your opinion will be validated. Some will not.