Calling all Camp Gyro users

[skyhuck]

1 hour ago, Paddy1000111 said:

"Why use two ropes, it's bullshit, I've been a climber for 20 years and never needed it" 

Who are you quoting here?

Or is it just more fiction? 

[Khriss]

1 hour ago, Mr. Squirrel said:

I don’t understand why you’re getting in such a tizzy about two ropes paddy. On your average job they won’t magically make you any safer. Nor will omitting to use two ropes make your working day any more dangerous. People need to slow down and think about their limits. 

Safe working requires confidence and composure gained from years of experience and the knowledge and skill that goes with that. Not an extra rope. 

But we been all over that n UAG167 showed some didnt. K

[Paddy1000111]

5 minutes ago, skyhuck said:

Who are you quoting here?

Or is it just more fiction? 

I'm not quoting anyone or I would have quoted them, just seems the general reaction of a lot of people when talking about two rope...

On 19/12/2020 at 01:28, Mark Bolam said:

Why not just climb on a single rope and stop worrying about it, like 99% of us do?

 

On 19/12/2020 at 21:09, htb said:

Hse hardly likely to be passing your workplace on the off chance, nearest office Cardiff or Basingstoke. Just don't f**k up.

Personally still continuing to climb on one long line and a side strop, will use a second main anchorand line when I deem appropriate such as moving about a wide spreading crown.

 

1 hour ago, Mr. Squirrel said:

I don’t understand why you’re getting in such a tizzy about two ropes paddy. On your average job they won’t magically make you any safer. Nor will omitting to use two ropes make your working day any more dangerous. People need to slow down and think about their limits. 

Safe working requires confidence and composure gained from years of experience and the knowledge and skill that goes with that. Not an extra rope. 

 

1 hour ago, mtt.tr said:

Can't see me going over to two ropes in a hurry 10 years in cant see much benefit. 

 

I will on occasion use 2 lanyards but bloody rare 

 

I'm not saying 2 rope is faster, more practical, more efficient or anything. Just that the law requires us to now use it. If you work for yourself and you don't want to then fine, but it's on your head if you get charged for it. Some people have no choice and HAVE to use two ropes and "But the guy on the forum doesn't do it" doesn't really wash in a disciplinary after a report. The whole point in this post was to create a tool that those who use two ropes like to use and camp want feedback and want to create that. "I don't and won't climb two rope" isn't constructive here. 

 

I don't get what was so unbelievable about my post? I don't directly know the farmer, and I wasn't there, but the farmers I do know buckled down on their safety and started outsourcing work after it happened and that was the story I was told. 

A farmer was up on his own barn roof with no safety equipment, he fell and got seriously injured, HSE took him to court for it. If you can tell me what about that story is completely unbelievable go ahead. It rings true with the law and the only missing piece is how it got reported to HSE. Maybe his insurance company asked to see the report and one wasn't made so he ended up filling out one to get the insurance pay out and then screwed himself I don't know. 

[Khriss]

4 hours ago, Mike Hill said:

That's great Khris,I should have expected no less than such from Arbtalks own:

 

Weapons expert

Hse expert

Cable logging expert

Vehicle modification expert

Military history scholar 

Aviation expert with a focus in WW2.

Forest Harvesting specialist.

 

In fact you seem to know so much about so many things,I do wonder how you find the time to come on here?

well.....this is why I am deaf in right ear ,

 

 

..yes he did ...And its chapter 8 in the book . K

[Rich Rule]

4 hours ago, Paddy1000111 said:

I'm not quoting anyone or I would have quoted them, just seems the general reaction of a lot of people when talking about two rope...

 

 

 

 

I'm not saying 2 rope is faster, more practical, more efficient or anything. Just that the law requires us to now use it. If you work for yourself and you don't want to then fine, but it's on your head if you get charged for it. Some people have no choice and HAVE to use two ropes and "But the guy on the forum doesn't do it" doesn't really wash in a disciplinary after a report. The whole point in this post was to create a tool that those who use two ropes like to use and camp want feedback and want to create that. "I don't and won't climb two rope" isn't constructive here. 

 

I don't get what was so unbelievable about my post? I don't directly know the farmer, and I wasn't there, but the farmers I do know buckled down on their safety and started outsourcing work after it happened and that was the story I was told. 

A farmer was up on his own barn roof with no safety equipment, he fell and got seriously injured, HSE took him to court for it. If you can tell me what about that story is completely unbelievable go ahead. It rings true with the law and the only missing piece is how it got reported to HSE. Maybe his insurance company asked to see the report and one wasn't made so he ended up filling out one to get the insurance pay out and then screwed himself I don't know. 

The law may have changed in recent years.  I can’t comment on the farmer incident.

 

BUT a very good friend of mine and someone I worked for a couple of years had an accident.  He fell about 35 feet onto a car park.  Lots of injuries, plenty of operations and time off work.  
 

He was working for his own company and the kit using had issues.  Not LOLER’d etc.  AFAIK he wasn’t prosecuted by HSE as he was a director of his own company.  It would have been a very different story if the accident had been an employee and he had been sent up to do the work with the same kit.

 

The HSE did get involved.  I was contacted and had to make the site and tree safe, whilst being watched by both police and muppets from the HSE.  The latter were accident investigators assigned to the Arb sector and they didn’t have a single clue how to do the task.  
 

I spent longer explaining to them and writing a risk assessment as to how I was going to complete the task.  I even bagged up the lowering pulley and rigging line for the investigators to take with them.

 

It wasn't a particularly pleasant position to be in knowing my friend had been airlifted to A&E with suspected broken back and neck, but also dealing with the personnel from the Health and Safety Executive.

 

This was a few years ago and as I mentioned the laws may have changed.   But that particular occasion was enough for me to realise some of the people making rules and legislation shouldn’t be allowed away from their desks.

[Paddy1000111]

Out of interest what was the cause of the accident? I've personally not heard of someone not being charged because of them being a director, that's not really how HSE works but there we go! 

[Rich Rule]

The cause of the accident I would guess was fatigue, last cut of the day, nothing to do with the climbing kit, Rigging line and block not having upto date LOLER.

 

Side strop wasn't long enough to go around the main stem so it or his climb line was on a stub.  It must have rolled off and he fell.

 

I turned up to a fat, dead 35 foot Ash stem with a 7 foot by 15 inch diameter log at the top, that had been connected to the rigging line, face cut in place and back cut looked good from the front side.  I can only assume as he leaned around the far side to see how much more to cut the hinge, it must have rolled off.  He fell onto a car park and the previously rigged logs that were around the base of the tree.

 

[Rich Rule]

Might I add, he is back climbing again and has been for quite a few years.

 

The human mind is a powerful thing.

[Mike Hill]

5 hours ago, Khriss said:

Wow, at least you have been paying attention  😆  yes i do know the difference!  And yes i cover many bases, i will send you a signed copy of my memoires,  will make sure its got a full index for you 😋  K

Great

 

12 Arbtalkers agree with me that you are a bullshitter,vrs 2 that like your last post that confirms the former theory.

 

Yet still you compound your density by comment .

 

You were,indeed,the T.A.

[Paddy1000111]

Considering that this whole thread was about bringing the community together to give us something we could all use that benefitted  everyone I really don't get why it had to become handbags at dawn because I repeated a story I was told as an example of being screwed over and no-one is immune to HSE