Face coverings

[Khriss]

33 minutes ago, the village idiot said:

We all spend a great deal of our lives doing what we are told, and on the whole it is a very good thing.

 

You would not want to live in a world where everyone just did what they thought was best for them.

 

Sometimes it is a good thing to make a stand against the prevailing winds, but often we can just build up a self righteous head of steam and start being a bit silly.

......you wear eyeliner n scare people in far off woodland..... yr exempt.  K

[maybelateron]

33 minutes ago, the village idiot said:

We all spend a great deal of our lives doing what we are told, and on the whole it is a very good thing.

 

You would not want to live in a world where everyone just did what they thought was best for them.

 

Sometimes it is a good thing to make a stand against the prevailing winds, but often we can just build up a self righteous head of steam and start being a bit silly.

The voice of reason prevails here.?

[Johnsond]

28 minutes ago, the village idiot said:

We all spend a great deal of our lives doing what we are told, and on the whole it is a very good thing.

 

You would not want to live in a world where everyone just did what they thought was best for them.

 

Sometimes it is a good thing to make a stand against the prevailing winds, but often we can just build up a self righteous head of steam and start being a bit silly.

Indeed we do and I agree order is a good thing but the amount of experts, scientists or professors opinions you hear is dictated by wether or not their opinion conforms with the media hysteria version. The opinions, research and statistics of many others are never given any credence at all. The so called new normal is anything but. VI you often think I presume and post stuff way out of the box !!! There is nothing self righteous or silly in not wanting the mundane day to day activities and freedoms we have being controlled and eroded to a level that would have been unthinkable mere months ago. 

[the village idiot]

8 minutes ago, Johnsond said:

There is nothing self righteous or silly in not wanting the mundane day to day activities and freedoms we have being controlled and eroded to a level that would have been unthinkable mere months ago. 

Extraordinary times require some extraordinary measures.

 

I don't really understand this 'erosion of freedom' stance. If anything, the face covering rules seem very much to be an attempt to give us back our day to day activities and freedoms. As others have pointed out, no Government wants to shut down their own economy.

 

It is good to question authority but I can't help thinking that you have picked the wrong battle this time.

[roboted]

Oh the irony ? 

[Johnsond]

21 minutes ago, maybelateron said:

The voice of reason prevails here.?

Not so much reason prevailing just an interpretation of what is reasonable and what isn’t in regards the reaction to this virus. The split on here is pretty obvious for anyone to see. 
Those whom are happy to go along with the lockdown and all it’s associated financial, social, mental health and knock on effects in regards the increases in deaths from other illness due to the focus on Covid. The other side of the coin are those whom think it’s been a badly managed huge over reaction driven by the media, self serving scientists with ludicrously over estimated predictions regarding casualties and politicians all too keen to enforce way over the top restrictions on every day life. 
To be honest as with Brexit or Tory/Labour etc etc one side ain’t gonna convince the other ?‍♂️. 

[the village idiot]

7 minutes ago, Johnsond said:

The split on here is pretty obvious for anyone to see. 

It isn't obvious though.

 

As with all big issues things are extremely complicated. You have listed several talking points and most people here will have various thoughts on each.

 

It is far too oversimplistic to divide everyone into one of two camps. It's a lazy form of argument and just leads us into brain-numbing trigger territory.

[Khriss]

Basically,  yr not being asked to invade a sovereign territory,  enact a vile sexual act, just go into a shop with yr ****************ing mask on to show some regard to others,  it's called manners n might help someone, do you need pictures ? K

[eggsarascal]

5 minutes ago, Khriss said:

Basically,  yr not being asked to invade a sovereign territory,  enact a vile sexual act, just go into a shop with yr ****************ing mask on to show some regard to others,  it's called manners n might help someone, do you need pictures ? K

Yes, if it was clear across the board that would be fine, but when I can sit in pubs, restaurants and many other places for hours without a face covering why do I need one to pay for my diesel, a task that takes a few minutes. Can you see where it falls down?, if you haven't eaten the crayons could you draw me a picture of the difference.

[Youngstu]

Some shopping could be viewed as essential activities, as such those that need to go to the shops (admittedly not all shops, but blanket guidance probably makes it easier all around). Many also need to go to the petrol station. As such everyone can go there feeling safe. 

You could see restaurants, pubs etc as more of a choice of those using them.

Wearing masks in "essential" places allows them to be open and functioning, and employing staff.

It's not perfect, there probably is no perfect solution.

I can't stand the Tories, Boris, Gove etc in particular and think they've made a right mess of this whole situation, but this mask solution does seem like the right solution for the time being. 

It'd be interesting to know how many of the anti-mask brigade voted for the current government!  you can just imagine the vitriol that'd be coming out if Labour had imposed similar measures!