2 rope tangles

[Jake Andrews]

Rock climbers have dynamic ropes ( stretchy ) they don't climb the rope. We often climb the rope which is static ( not stretchy) theirs is fall protection - ours is work position. Rock climbers can fall several metres and survive due to the stretch slowing the fall. We are not allowed to fall or be deaded. K

But when we aren’t touching any part of the tree and dangling in the air (think srt or accessing the tree) we are rope access.................... which requires a back up line.

[Mark Bolam]

Quite right Jake.

I will always have one in the truck.

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

5 hours ago, Khriss said:

But Kev... FSB is the old KGB, have you been draining that old scrumpy from below stairs again K

On a side note, how is I ‘know’ who’s done the laughy thing before I’ve even looked....

 

@Stubby

Edited December 6, 2019 by kevinjohnsonmbe

[Khriss]

14 hours ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

On a side note, how is I ‘know’ who’s done the laughy thing before I’ve even looked....

 

@Stubby

Yer. Greased lighting in slippers, We do have that in common ? k

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

39 minutes ago, Khriss said:

Yer. Greased lighting in slippers, We do have that in common ? k

Bomb....

 

Although in the ‘by age qualification’ category, I don’t possess slippers!

[Green Man Wales]

Just thought I'd stick my opinion in.

 

I trained for the CS38 from November the 25th to the 29th. My assessment was on Thursday the 5th of December. During my training I went from being cold, wet, pissed off, knackered, and wanting to quit on the Tuesday, to feeling pretty confident and good about myself on the Friday for sticking with it. The trainer was great, and really helped us through it (three to begin with, one dropped out). I ultimately went with one climbing rope and a strop.

 

Along comes the 5th. Driving the hour and ten minutes, feeling confident of passing. Arrived, only to find that our assessor was going to have to do it on the two anchor system. Devastated. Neither of us had trained for that. Managed to dig a couple more climbing ropes us, and decided to go for it. I wasn't leaving with out trying it. We passed. But it was way more complicated as a newbie. And the branch walking was........ awful. I felt less safe as there was too much now going on. I had felt very, very safe and happy using one anchor the week before. The assessor was also great, and the training centre was very understanding.

 

If this is the new standard, I would highly recommend that they look at the training, and adjust the courses respectively. Maybe and extra two days to consolidate your skills, or put the Aerial Rescue as another top up course after the climbing? This coming from the person who was probably the first in the country to get the two anchor assessment, having been trained on the one.

 

Sorry for the longer message, just felt like adding a fresh faced opinion.

Edited December 10, 2019 by Green Man Wales
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[Mark Bolam]

Bloody well done on passing mate.

 

I'd say that the fact that you were prepared to have a crack at it in those circumstances says far more about you as a climber than the actual certificate.

[Andrew McEwan]

5 minutes ago, Mark Bolam said:

Bloody well done on passing mate.

 

I'd say that the fact that you were prepared to have a crack at it in those circumstances says far more about you as a climber than the actual certificate.

Spot on hope he's getting a start somewhere, good effort Green man

[Jake Andrews]

Well done on passing bud, bet that was a relief. I agree that the climbing course should take longer with perhaps the aerial rescue a bolt on. I think I should also be mandatory for trainers to get on the tree with students and not just stay on the ground.
On a side note, I know you preferred one line and a strop but that wouldn’t have phased you if you didn’t know about it when taking the assessment. Sounds like you’ve had the hardest course in terms of adjusting your method but future students should find it easier as there will be no more comparison to different systems.

[TIMON]

When I did my CS38 about 6 years ago it was the other way round. We trained with two main ropes attached at all times (lanyard in for changeovers) it was very cumbersome and our harness bridges were really congested.
When it came to the assessment (access the tree, perform aerial rescue and pole rescue) the assessor wanted us to climb on one mainline and side strop only.