Should a referendum on Scottish independence only include people living in Scotland?

[Baldbloke]

Is that the India we've just given £98m in foreign aid to?

With its own space program too

[trigger_andy]

43 minutes ago, jfc said:

Something I feel should have been applied to the brexit vots as well as indyref2 is that to change things there should be a 55%+ majority. Or even 60%. Being 50% means the losing side can justifiably block progress as they are representing the near 50% who didn't support it.

But that is not how the democratic process works is it? It would put to much of a slant on remaining in the status quo. How could you justify a situation where a majority of the UK or Scotland make a decision and its not honoured? 

[Baldbloke]

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Or where Scotland earlier voted on remaining as part of the U.K. and then wants dispensation over remaining as an EU member. This when the U.K. (as a whole) decided it was a crap idea. [emoji848]

[jfc]

But that is not how the democratic process works is it? It would put to much of a slant on remaining in the status quo. How could you justify a situation where a majority of the UK or Scotland make a decision and its not honoured? 

Well surely brexit has shown what a total f. up the current system is.

[agrimog]

the system is so corrupt that the whole lot needs binning.....an absolute farsical procedure votes bought and sold, and more lies than a story telling contest, its time every voting card had a last line entry  "none of the above", and if it scored more than 30% of the vote, every candidate  booted out and a fresh round with new people tried again, oh and as a question to all you folk that think we as a country get subsdised from the rest.........some hard and proven figures please, not ones dreamed up by political parties or mass media

 

[Mark Bolam]

I think Scotland could make it’s own way.

Great natural resources, space, general grit and graft bred in to a lot of the population, and history has shown huge amount of intelligence and invention.

 

That said, Sturgeon and the SNP are none of this.

 

I can’t think of a worse representation of Scotland in general, they could take any country back into the stone age.

[agrimog]

this is the thing people cannot get into there thick heads......first task of a goverment in a newly independant country would be hold an election, people could then have who soever they wanted running there country

[agrimog]

Bij J, nice figures, but rather one sided, where does it show the revenue raised by taxation and sent south from where an amount  is then sent back, or the fact that every drop of whisky produced in scotland is currently marked down as ENGLISH exports, just because it leaves from a southern port, and surprise surprise, the tory goverment conveintly "lost" billions of barrels of oil whist doing its calculations, or the fact that oil from the new field west of the shetland islands was loaded direct to ships to prevent it being logged as production in scotish waters, there are more funny fiscall transactions over the scotish funding issue than any other thing...apart from MP's expenses

 

[Johnsond]

21 minutes ago, agrimog said:

Bij J, nice figures, but rather one sided, where does it show the revenue raised by taxation and sent south from where an amount  is then sent back, or the fact that every drop of whisky produced in scotland is currently marked down as ENGLISH exports, just because it leaves from a southern port, and surprise surprise, the tory goverment conveintly "lost" billions of barrels of oil whist doing its calculations, or the fact that oil from the new field west of the shetland islands was loaded direct to ships to prevent it being logged as production in scotish waters, there are more funny fiscall transactions over the scotish funding issue than any other thing...apart from MP's expenses

 

It’s loaded direct to tankers due to nothing else but the engineering ease with  which floating/moored structures can be installed in that water depth. And please let’s not go down the fabled west of Shetland oil reserves route. The cost and risk to get that out of the ground from exploration to production is massive. When the  SNP prove themselves to be a forward thinking, fiscally adept and proficient government then maybe people will start to think it can be achieved. Relying on historical hatred and conspiracy theories really is a piss poor argument. 

Edited November 29, 2019 by Johnsond

[trigger_andy]

48 minutes ago, Big J said:

Every single table shows that proportionally, Scotland receives higher spending that it takes in tax.

 

It does not help that duty on Whisky is not included. That alone would be quite sizable. Not to mention Oil revenues. 

 

50 minutes ago, Big J said:

It would be much better for the Indy camp to just accept that Scotland has a dependency and lack of self sufficiency issue,

I dont agree with this at all. Scotland can be quite prosperous on its own.