Background to the HSE decision on two rope working

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

3 minutes ago, Svts said:

Haha for sure! I've largely gone back to full time forestry now. Still do the odd arb job if it's interesting enough. Find most arb a bit dull these days tbh. 

Funny really because here there was no arboriculture, so i ended up kicking it all off, its been interesting because its like being in england 30 years ago. Theres only a handfull of arbs here now,

 

[Svts]

1 minute ago, Tony Croft aka hamadryad said:

Funny really because here there was no arboriculture, so i ended up kicking it all off, its been interesting because its like being in england 30 years ago. Theres only a handfull of arbs here now,

 

Oddly got a mate who is moving to Argentina partly to do the same. Another top notch climber disappearing! 

[MattyF]

Training and assement need go change drastically if AA and the hse are really serious about improving things. I've lost count of the number of fully certified climbers I've worked with that lack basic skills and knowledge. 
Passing the rigging ticket after a few months of brash dragging for a utility company shouldn't happen, but it does (a lot from what I've seen). 
Really poor tree ident leading to no knowledge of timbers strengths and weaknesses. No apparent time restrictions on tests allowing very poor candidates to pass aerial rescue cert. They are then often left in charge of the most time critical climb anyone will ever be asked to do. 
These are just a few of the issues that directly stem from the inbuilt faults within the arb training industry. 
The Nptc is just a money making machine. Administered by the same people that make a nice living from continuously churning people out in the shortest time possible. 
The two rope issue is such a silly distraction from the real problems that the AA should be addressing with the hse. Frankly I wonder if the AA is fit for purpose as it stands. 
I for one will still only use two anchors if the tree dictates it. Managed 25 plus years without cutting my line or breaking an anchor point out, sure I'll manage a few more. 
The situation is a joke. Proper education/training is the cornerstone the industry needs, Not more rules to protect the hopeless climbers pumped out by the current training system. 
Apologies for going on but it's become frustrating to see the industry ruined from within. 
 

Best post I’ve read on this thread.

[dumper]

6 minutes ago, Tony Croft aka hamadryad said:

Funny really because here there was no arboriculture, so i ended up kicking it all off, its been interesting because its like being in england 30 years ago. Theres only a handfull of arbs here now,

 

So tony how about a thread on Bulgarian arb?

[Bolt]

If IRATA was persuaded to offer nationally accredited training for tree work (along the same lines as their industrial trading) how many employers would take it up?

 

Months of training and recording and thousands of pounds  Vs. a couple of weeks and a couple of hundred quid.

 

 

 

hmmmmm, tricky.

 

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

13 minutes ago, dumper said:

So tony how about a thread on Bulgarian arb?

Thats not a bad idea, would be an eye opener, its like the wild west

[Svts]

8 minutes ago, MattyF said:

Best post I’ve read on this thread.

Thanks. Too many snouts in the trough nowadays. I know one old trainer who has my upmost respect but have come across many more that fall very short. Filling your day with four to six trainees paying £160 and upwards each is where the easy moneys at. 

I won't hold my breath waiting for any meaningful change! 

 

[dumper]

3 minutes ago, Tony Croft aka hamadryad said:

Thats not a bad idea, would be an eye opener, its like the wild west

Is it husky v stihl or are they using crosscut handsaws? 

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

Just now, dumper said:

Is it husky v stihl or are they using crosscut handsaws? 

husky dont get much of a look in to be honest. And with my 088 being snatched for photoshoots with random strangers im long overdue a cheque from still for promotional work!

 

[Mick Dempsey]

8 minutes ago, Tony Croft aka hamadryad said:

Thats not a bad idea, would be an eye opener, its like the wild west

It would make a good thread, no doubt about it.