Background to the HSE decision on two rope working

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

So, here’s all the answers:

 

Arboricultural Association - Two-rope working – an update

WWW.TREES.ORG.UK

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<h4 class= author dblue mb30 ><strong>Simon Richmond</strong>, Senior Technical Officer</h4> <p...

 

[Mark J]

What are the health and safety benefits of this?
It must add to fatigue over time using two systems.
One part of the above doc says that it's preferable to have both lines in same anchor point,over one line (if two independent anchors aren't achievable).
Now, if you're having a bad day and are going to join the statistics, then you're likely to cut through/trap them both.
This doesn't seem very well thought out.

Edited December 1, 2019 by Mark J

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

3 hours ago, Mark J said:

What are the health and safety benefits of this?
It must add to fatigue over time using two systems.
One part of the above doc says that it's preferable to have both lines in same anchor point,over one line (if two independent anchors aren't achievable).
Now, if you're having a bad day and are going to join the statistics, then you're likely to cut through/trap them both.
This doesn't seem very well thought out.

The trouble is, people have become ‘programmed’ to accept and obey ‘authority’ even when it appears to contradict self preservation and effective personal analysis and responsibility. 
 

How ironic would it be if the next incident was shown to be attributable to this HSE directive. 
 

Wouldn't be the first time the HSE has had to investigate and prosecute ITSELF!

[stewmo]

On 01/12/2019 at 20:24, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

The trouble is, people have become ‘programmed’ to accept and obey ‘authority’ even when it appears to contradict self preservation and effective personal analysis and responsibility. 

THIS!!

[breffni]

On 01/12/2019 at 20:24, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

The trouble is, people have become ‘programmed’ to accept and obey ‘authority’ even when it appears to contradict self preservation and effective personal analysis and responsibility. 
 

How ironic would it be if the next incident was shown to be attributable to this HSE directive. 
 

Wouldn't be the first time the HSE has had to investigate and prosecute ITSELF!

I'm happy for you to sacrifice yourself Kevin to show up the dumbness of the directive!!!

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

3 hours ago, breffni said:

I'm happy for you to sacrifice yourself Kevin to show up the dumbness of the directive!!!

I’d consider it a service to humanity ?

[Stubby]

2 hours ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

I’d consider it a service to humanity ?

Sword  strait in ( in the lower belly ) , then drag it up to the point of your rib cage , let your guts spill out over your wedding tackle , job done ! ?

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

11 minutes ago, Stubby said:

Sword  strait in ( in the lower belly ) , then drag it up to the point of your rib cage , let your guts spill out over your wedding tackle , job done ! ?

Hell's teeth Mr Stubby!  That's a bit rare ?

 

Have you just been notified of an impending cycle race shutting off the parish again....?

[Stubby]

1 minute ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

Hell's teeth Mr Stubby!  That's a bit rare ?

 

Have you just been notified of an impending cycle race shutting off the parish again....?

I tried it once , its not all that ?

[Svts]

On 01/12/2019 at 20:24, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

The trouble is, people have become ‘programmed’ to accept and obey ‘authority’ even when it appears to contradict self preservation and effective personal analysis and responsibility. 
 

How ironic would it be if the next incident was shown to be attributable to this HSE directive. 
 

Wouldn't be the first time the HSE has had to investigate and prosecute ITSELF!

Self preservation and  effective personal analysis and responsibility! That is a fantastic phrase. 

Those qualities went out the window donkeys years ago. When the wholesale adoption of the nptc idiots guide became the standard to measure yourself by. HSE and large company compliance procedures ensure that we have rules designed to keep people that shouldn't be in the job safe from hurting themselves. Backed up by the insurance people. When will the AA start looking into why the training industry is such a mess. This is just another rule to stop the lowest common denominator from hurting themselves.