"Clean Air Strategy" today we find out.

[struie]

14 hours ago, difflock said:

And yet nature is absolutely thriving in the cordoned off nuclear-hot Chernobyl zone,

it appears not only is mankind susceptible to pollution(incl totally natural kinds),

but mankind is of itself the biggest pollution on Earth.

always has been,mate.

[Mark2]

The truth is the firewood industry is beginning to have a major impact on the major capitalist energy supplyers !

fire wood is a sustainable energy supply !!

not burning fossil fuels trapped in the ground for millions of years !

this is —- profit motive over environment !!!

[Mark2]

The firewood industry gives value to our woodlands just like mobile mills. Encouraging people to plant woodland !

that is a double environmental benifit, to our countryside and country!

what % of Britain is woodland compared to Europe?

I used to know this, but have forgotten !

[LGP Eddie]

Anyone clocked the Red Diesel bit! That's going to cause some headaches with kit and tanks all around the place full of white!

 

 

Eddie.

[Chalgravesteve]

6 hours ago, Mark2 said:

The truth is the firewood industry is beginning to have a major impact on the major capitalist energy supplyers !

fire wood is a sustainable energy supply !!

not burning fossil fuels trapped in the ground for millions of years !

this is —- profit motive over environment !!!

firewood is not a sustainable energy supply!! How the hell can it be sustainable when you can burn a tree in one day but it takes 20 years to regrow back to the same size? The consumption of wood in fires will always outstrip the regrowth! We use entirely arb waste in our firewood production, so these trees are coming down anyway, but it has always struck me as being a strange claim that firewood is sustainable!

   

[neiln]

Sustainable by single tree? No.  Sustainable by managed forest.  With enough trees growing a little each year to replace the carbon released from those harvested each year (after accounting for processing)

 

 

[neiln]

The figures for pollution sources vary much.  But given that pollution is short lived it is almost feasible to determine the contribution by short term removal.  I.e.  stop all wood stoves in an area (London) for a week, and measure the change to pollutant levels.  If it gives a 30% reduction I'll not light mine again.  If it gives 3% reduction then the government need to pursue other causes.

[openspaceman]

1 minute ago, neiln said:

  But given that pollution is short lived it is almost feasible to determine the contribution by short term removal.  I.e.  stop all wood stoves in an area (London) for a week, and measure the change to pollutant levels.

That's a bit like saying stop all people throwing litter for a week and seeing the effect.

 

There should be obvious seasonal differences and a cold snap should see a spike but I see no way of distinguishing that produced from a non defra approved stove or burning wet wood.

 

Also there should be a correlation with NOx and diesel particulates and I'd like to see real time NOx figures since we have had little rain and then directly after heavy rain.

[difflock]

3 hours ago, LGP Eddie said:

Anyone clocked the Red Diesel bit! That's going to cause some headaches with kit and tanks all around the place full of white!

 

 

Eddie.

Go On, Explain please?

[LGP Eddie]

23 minutes ago, difflock said:

Go On, Explain please?

Looking like a ban on Red Diesel for Construction and a raft of other things including Artic Fridge Trailers is on the cards.

Typically not Tractors or Combines, which will lead to the inevitable running bent everywhere.

If it’s going get it gone and have done with it, no concessions and everyone knows where they stand.

 

Be horrendous amounts of money in big machine tanks over the weekend!?

 

Eddie.