The who can get most outraged at bad treework thread.

[Steve Bullman]

On 29/04/2019 at 21:15, Mick Dempsey said:

Sorry Paul!

 

Comes with the territory I guess.

 

I see loads of pics on social media of “poor work” and sure, a good bit of it is grim.

 

One in particular I even joined in on.

 

Countless comments lampooning a very short back and sides on a large goat willow in a small garden.

 

Usual stuff, but not one person mentioned the species, and when I raised it was told that it was “not exactly best practice though is it?”

 

How can Bs3998 be relevant to a back garden goat willow and a large beech like treevolution just posted?

 

If you (the AA) started illustrating different pruning regimes for different species I believe it would be held in higher regard, more like a knowledgeable boss who you learn from rather than a pseudo-government body with pie in the sky diktats.

 

Just debating Paul, no offence intended.?

 

 

 

Personally I have always taken the british standards as a guide rather than law, to be adjusted as suits per species and spec/customers needs, based on the experience of the individual. I believe with anything like this there has to be a basic standard for people to follow. Its not plausible to put out a standard and then include a million caveats for every likely scenario we encounter.

[Mick Dempsey]

4 minutes ago, Steve Bullman said:

Personally I have always taken the british standards as a guide rather than law, to be adjusted as suits per species and spec/customers needs, based on the experience of the individual. I believe with anything like this there has to be a basic standard for people to follow. Its not plausible to put out a standard and then include a million caveats for every likely scenario we encounter.

I don’t see why it’s such an impossible task to collate a database of species with reaction to pruning cross referencing that against age of tree, season pruning is to take place, likely vitality, possible time frames for re inspection etcetera? 

 

Most of it is well known to anyone in the business for a few years.

 

Look at the fungi database on here, done by the Hump in his spare time iirc.

 

[Al Cormack]

I don’t see why it’s such an impossible task to collate a database of species with reaction to pruning cross referencing that against age of tree, season pruning is to take place, likely vitality, possible time frames for re inspection etcetera? 
 
Most of it is well known to anyone in the business for a few years.
 
Look at the fungi database on here, done by the Hump in his spare time iirc.
 

Crack on with it then Mick. You seem to have a lot of spare time... [emoji12]

[Mick Dempsey]

3 minutes ago, Al Cormack said:

 

Crack on with it then Mick. You seem to have a lot of spare time...

 

I’m more of an ideas man myself.

[Mr. Squirrel]

46 minutes ago, Mick Dempsey said:

I don’t see why it’s such an impossible task to collate a database of species with reaction to pruning cross referencing that against age of tree, season pruning is to take place, likely vitality, possible time frames for re inspection etcetera? 

 

Most of it is well known to anyone in the business for a few years.

 

Look at the fungi database on here, done by the Hump in his spare time iirc.

 

I guess the danger is that even with the 'master data base of tree pruning know how' (if one ever gets created I want it to be called that btw), there are always exceptions to the rule. It varies so much, on their position, exposure, immediate environment, soil etc. At which point the operator who actually needs this guide in order to do half decent tree work will probably end up spanking some ancient perfectly retrenched Oak thinking 'well it's only 15m high eh? Can't be that old'

Personally I think there ought to be a requirement for education, and if you don't have any formal education you shouldn't be doing tree work. I know there are plenty of folks who know their stuff without an HNC, and others doing crap work despite the qualifications, but it would be a good start.

 

Anyway, no pics but I was on a job today where another firm had done a good ol' topping of a perfectly formed copper beech, leaving the one on the other side of the garden with a large compression fork be. Crying shame.

[Mick Dempsey]

49 minutes ago, Mr. Squirrel said:

I guess the danger is that even with the 'master data base of tree pruning know how' (if one ever gets created I want it to be called that btw), there are always exceptions to the rule. It varies so much, on their position, exposure, immediate environment, soil etc. 

Of course, it would be a guide, much as Steve Bullman describes the BS thingy.

But this would be of some tangible use to a newby.

[Khriss]

I think it is abt time something is done abt the ignorance / don't care view. A well pruned tree going from a sorry state to pleasant form n health Should be the aim, but as we all know most won't pay fr that so I will shut up now. K

[Mick Dempsey]

4 minutes ago, Khriss said:

I think it is abt time something is done abt the ignorance / don't care view. A well pruned tree going from a sorry state to pleasant form n health Should be the aim, but as we all know most won't pay fr that so I will shut up now. K

Who’s ignorance/don’t care view?

[tree-fancier123]

21 hours ago, Mick Dempsey said:

Who’s ignorance/don’t care view?

What gets me is all the 'tree people' too tired to do the practical work. They are usually the ones who have read several hundred square metres of text and come to the conclusion that Arbrex won't protect pruning wounds from pathogen ingress. This is because they are 'up with' current thinking in tree biology and it makes them feel intelligent to regurgitate the received wisdom.

[Gary Prentice]

20 minutes ago, tree-fancier123 said:

What gets me is all the 'tree people' too tired to do the practical work. They are usually the ones who have read several hundred square metres of text and come to the conclusion that Arbrex won't protect pruning wounds from pathogen ingress. This is because they are 'up with' current thinking in tree biology and it makes them feel intelligent to regurgitate the received wisdom.

Arbrex was crap to use thirty years, has something changed?