Staff woes, getting ready to chuck it all in

[peatff]

Sorry for this spuddog, he went to college. Collage is a lot of bits stuck together to make a picture. If he's going to college he obviously wants to learn.

[Billhook]

 

[Ian C]

Can't you look towards getting staff who have been in the industry 5+ years?
 
Taking on someone from college should be seen as training them to do the job imo.
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Finding good guys who want to do the job, like it and can actually do it is v hard, as for the collages well modern training is crap and the young ones want 25k the day they leave!

[Ian C]

On ‎26‎/‎09‎/‎2018 at 14:53, Rough Hewn said:

A different angle...
Be a tradesman.
Start on £100+ a day,
Going up to £150-200 with experience.
Be a tree surgeon,
Start on £50-80 a day maybe up to £100-120 a day with experience.
This is the problem.
As I've pointed out before.
Pay your staff a decent wage. You might actually attract decent guys.
The arb world is full of firms who will charge top money for jobs and pay their staff the scraps.

Its also full of wanna be's that think there worth a fortune cos they have a few tickets and can get out of bed on a morning!

[eggsarascal]

43 minutes ago, Ian C said:

Its also full of wanna be's that think there worth a fortune cos they have a few tickets and can get out of bed on a morning!

Do these wannabes turn up because you don't want to pay the coin for reliable, skilled lads that will turn up everyday and look after your kit?

[Gary Prentice]

2 minutes ago, eggsarascal said:

Do these wannabes turn up because you don't want to pay the coin for reliable, skilled lads that will turn up everyday and look after your kit?

Ians a good 'un Eggs. I've met some of his lads previously and if I was thirty years younger I'd be happy to work for him.

Edited September 30, 2018 by Gary Prentice

[eggsarascal]

3 minutes ago, Gary Prentice said:

 

And?

 

I've met Ian, he seemed like a decent bloke. My question was about money, I do a mixture of my own work and subbing, if I need a GOOD subby in for the day he's going to be close to £200/day, if I want a mediocre subby in for the day he's going to be £120, but I don't expect the same from both of them. If I want a specialist in for the day they are going to charge me £400/day.

 

If I need top skills that are reliable and can get the job done I have to pay for it.

[Gary Prentice]

He's not after a subby Eggs, full time on the books is what he's after. Talking to his lads, they said he's good to work for so I'd assume that wages are sufficient and commensurate with skills/experience and everyone is happy. 

[Vespasian]

On 26/09/2018 at 12:52, Scott95 said:

I've been in this game now for 15 years and am now making serious consideration to packing it all in and starting a new business.  I love this job, pretty much everything about it but there has been one constant throughout the entire time running my business that has given me the same issues.  STAFF!

 

I like to think i'm a reasonable easy going boss.  I never rant and rave, I pay my staff well, let them have early days most weeks, and regularly buy them lunch or a pint after work.  Despite that they come and go.  Most of the time they are asked to leave as they simply are not up to the job despite coming out of colleges with all the tickets and thinking they know the job.  They could learn it for sure but it seems no one has the desire to really be the best they can these days and simply want an easy life.  I am thinking a lot of this is due to the training courses not giving a realistic expectation of what the job truly entails.  I think it should all go back to where it began with the old YTS schemes, with trainees working on £30 a week but getting hands on training as they go.  Everyone on those schemes got a true taste of what the job was and also knew that if they performed, not only would they get their tickets but would come out of it with a job for life.  Fast forward to now where everyone completes a 1 or 2 year course and automatically assumes they have earned a job for life.  Why were these schemes abolished?

 

As I said, I am literally on the verge of packing it all in.  Just can't handle the stress anymore and despite what I do its pretty obvious that its something thats out of my control.  I know i'm not the only one as I see the same companies repeatedly posting on here and elsewhere for staff.  I feel their pain!

 

Despite saying earlier I never rant and rave, I guess thats more or less what i'm doing as I don't believe there is an answer out there to solve this problem!

nothing like a motivational vid to sort things out...   

 

 

[Ratman]

Christ Vesp..... that vid is 15+mins long!!! I’m not sitting and watching 15 mins+ of your shite, you dont pay me enough!!!