Arborist’/tree surgeons and morals

[felixthelogchopper]

22 minutes ago, Gary Prentice said:

Been saving this just for you Felix

Post that again and I'll scratch your eyes out.

[Gary Prentice]

Did Felix wake up grumpy?

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[felixthelogchopper]

29 minutes ago, Gary Prentice said:

Did Felix wake up grumpy?

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No, mate. She set her own alarm this morning. As for the cat, our Big Harry makes that one look like a ray of sunshine sometimes.

[Dendrophile]

On 27/11/2017 at 20:06, WesD said:

Ok I hope I am not going to get shot down in flames here but with what’s going on in Sheffield I thought I’d post/ramble some thoughts and questions. 

 

Why are we in this job? 

 

Do people hold such high regards and morals for trees or do you actually if I may be blunt just love the job of removing them climbing them pruning them? 

 

I may may be selfish but I love working on trees (conifers excluded) be it raise, reduce, thin or remove yes it’s hard work but it’s selfishly satisfying admiring your work after a hard day. 

 

At its most simple any and most work on trees harm them yet we all love a before and after. 

 

Yes its it’s nice to work on trees that are goosed or to reduce some that will blatantly extend the trees lifespan but we all must work on perfectly healthy trees to satisfy the customers demands ie a reduction to allow more sunlight in the garden. 

 

So are we as a trade looking out for the best interests of trees as a whole or are we following best practices and guidelines whilst getting paid to do something we enjoy or are we somewhere in the middle?

 

If you where based in Sheffield and Amey subbed you in would you do the work and get paid or stay away?

 

Has anybody walked away from a job because they think a tree should be left alone?

 

If you have why have you walked away from jobs?

 

Thought this type of thread could raise some fat to chew and be a litttle different from brexit. 

I think a lot of skill and expertise comes in finding the balance between the needs of people and the needs of the tree. Its fair enough if someone wants more sunlight in their garden, especially in Britain. If they also like their tree, then it takes a good arborist to maintain a healthy tree whilst satisfying the clients desire for sunlight. A perfectly healthy tree can often take a reduction and still be perfectly healthy afterwards if done properly. I think without the skills that todays arborists have then a lot more trees would just be felled or badly pruned, so I try and take pride in that. But yes, I hate having to fell large or healthy trees without good reason.

[Mark Bolam]

I prefer felling healthy trees because I have more confidence in my anchor point.

[Dilz]

i'll top it and paint it pink if the price is right - then i can worry about the state of my sole surrounded by fine wine and luxury. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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30 minutes ago, Dilz said:

i'll top it and paint it pink if the price is right - then i can worry about the state of my sole surrounded by fine wine and luxury. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You still using haix boots then

[Dilz]

On 12/1/2017 at 19:09, htb said:

You still using haix boots then

Nah - last pair were Andrews... good boot don't get me wrong but not so nice for wearing the old pruning spikes as the Haix Protector pros and for pruning jobs its the  arbpro evo  boots - like slippers they are, in fact I'm wearing them now as im sat in the den smoking fine cigars and drinking brandy all purchased with my ill-gotten toppin and loppin gains.  

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2 minutes ago, Dilz said:

Nah - last pair were Andrews... good boot don't get me wrong but not so nice for wearing the old pruning spikes as the Haix Protector pros and for pruning jobs its the  arbpro evo  boots - like slippers they are, in fact I'm wearing them now as im sat in the den smoking fine cigars and drinking brandy all purchased with my ill-gotten toppin and loppin gains.  

It has its rewards

[Mesterh]

On 30/11/2017 at 13:31, billpierce said:

If say so...doubt they were listed when they were built.


If say our system is very much less than perfect but the concept that even if you own the land you should be able to do anything you want with it regardless of what the community wants doesn't sit right with me. I reckon there should be some process and control when people want to alter the landscape/surroundings I.e open cast mining, clear felling woodland, building a new hotel etc etc.

Yes, if someone wants to build a nuclear power station in their back garden then maybe the authorities should step in and put a stop to it but when someone wants to remove just a tree that they did have the right to do but someone else decided they shouldn't have that right then no, the authorities should not dictate what happens to the owners property. Especially considering that the owner is now going to have an ongoing unwanted expense for something that is also causing them grief while everyone else just gets to enjoy their tree for free, doesn't seem right really!

 

 

On 30/11/2017 at 14:12, felixthelogchopper said:

It has been known.

Well in that case no, I dont think it is right if the owner does not give consent, but that is a far cry from a listed building to just a tree.

 

Lets not forget that property is usually the most expensive asset most people will own. To have dictated to you what you must do with that asset when it is purely only for the good of others is IMO ridiculous. I agree with the other comments that TPO trees should be maintained from the public purse as supposedly it is in the public interest to retain them.

 

I have removed plenty of tree that the owner has had enough of and decided to get rid. Quite often it has been edrly people who neither have the time or the funds to pay the ongoing expense of maintaining their tree.

 

Now, if said old lady wanted her tree to be cut down due to the fact that she has recently lost her husband who used to clean up the leaves and  can no longer afford to have a yearly inspection and maintenance program and I turned around and not only refused to do the job but then applied to get a TPO put on the tree what kind of a cnt would I be? Does any disagree that they would be a morally wrong thing to do? The above has happened to me on more than one occasion, well in regards to the widowed old dear wanting the tree down, I didnt think twice about doing it let alone try to get them TPO'D!

 

TBH, it doesnt really matter if the owner is a recently widowed old dear, anyone trying to put a TPO on a tree that isnt theirs and the owner doesnt give consent is not a nice person, i refrained from using the  word cnt instead of nice person as its nearly Christmas. If any one wants to try and convince me otherwise then please try, I may change my mind, im not that stubborn.