Petrol winches

[openspaceman]

10 hours ago, Mick Dempsey said:

Ok, thanks, not fully understanding but it’ll become clear when I get it in my hands I suppose.

I have added some pictures  to give an idea of how it would work

[Mick Dempsey]

1 hour ago, openspaceman said:

I have added some pictures  to give an idea of how it would work

No pics here.

[openspaceman]

4 minutes ago, Mick Dempsey said:

No pics here.

I put them in my earlier post

 

 

[Mick Dempsey]

Ah, ok, sorry.

[Vedhoggar]

On 14/10/2017 at 13:10, Charlieh said:

Im currently working on a site where we could do with pulling a lot of firewood sized material to areas where we can skid with tractor or mini forwarder. 

 

Has anyone used these smaller 2 or 4 stroke winches seriously in anger. I estimate we could be dealing with up to 100tons per winter. I've spoken several times with Treadlight forestry about the docma winches and that's the way im looking to go.  I just wondered if anyone else had used one extensively day in day out on larger jobs. Especially running several chokers on for short wood, and as a haulback for the bigger winch

Bought a Docma VF105 Red Iron from Treadlight about 3 years ago, it is used to extract firewood in sensitive/difficult areas to work, winching 25-30m max normally, it is used to also pull down hung up trees which it is good for as well as pulling trees over. It has been used for hrs at a time but never all day long. Considered all portable winches and it came down to the Docma VF105 and Eder 1800 but in the end opted for the Docma because 3.5kg lighter, cheaper (£700 + vat currently) also needed pulling power of 1000kg but not more and the speed was acceptable at 20m/min. Use only one choker at the moment but with shortwood (2m) just bunch the lot up and choker with a cable run though a cone. Not used for haul back of bigger winch. It works best when tension on rope like pulling up a slope or pulling down hung-up trees but when pulling downhill if the log slides or rolls the rope can become tangled up on the capstan, likewise on the flat if it get stuck and then surges forward it can become tangled otherwise no problems with it.

Edited December 31, 2020 by Vedhoggar

[Vedhoggar]

On 30/12/2020 at 17:53, Mick Dempsey said:

I’m getting one of these for a felling job I have where machine access is impossible.

 

Two questions for those who use or know about these.

 

1: Can they be used for assisted felling? They seem to be best at continuous pulling rather than pulling and holding like my old tractor winch.

 

2: What’s the best out there? Prepared to pay for the best. 
 

@aspenarb’s looks superb, but I think it’s home manufactured.

 

TIA 

Mick

The Docma VF105 can be used for assisted felling and will hold if you stop winching.  On best out there it depends really what you want to do with it/what's important to you, I chose the Docma V105 because of its weight, speed, the power that I required as well as price but I can understand why some would opt for the more expensive Eder 1800 which would be too heavy for carrying about in the woods and also I've never needed that amount of power.

Edited January 1, 2021 by Vedhoggar

[Mick Dempsey]

What’s the deal on rope? Ordering it up and they’re trying to flog me the no stretch rope, I mean it’s good and all but you can use any rope can’t you?

@openspaceman

@Vedhoggar

@aspenarb

[Will C]

Yes, your old rigging line will be fine.  It’s like climbing, the less bounce in the rope the easier/more efficient it is.

 

I’ve only used hydraulic capstan winches and a grcs so happy to be wrong but they work on the same principle.

[openspaceman]

29 minutes ago, Mick Dempsey said:

What’s the deal on rope? Ordering it up and they’re trying to flog me the no stretch rope, I mean it’s good and all but you can use any rope can’t you?

@openspaceman

@Vedhoggar

@aspenarb

I think so as long as it is non dynamic non stretch rope. I have used it with an ordinary  13mm rigging rope.

[Mick Dempsey]

That’s what I figured.