Wages

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

Shame on you...... Gable end needs painting.

 

 

There's a few jobs to do before that Mr E! Ground floor is still soil & concrete from the cattle pens which needs to be dug out and a new pad cast in. Guess what I'm doing over Christmas! Just hoping I don't need to under pin it.

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

Why would your accountant be claiming more than the required capital allowances to get you down that low. Surely its more efficient to skirt just under the threshold?

 

 

Not sure I understand the question. It's not just AIA, there are other considerations but wouldn't want to discuss in open source for obvious reasons.

[john p]

I preferred the unedited version John :lol:

 

 

 

 

 

Numpty brash dragger who is only along for the ride £60 pd

 

 

 

Brash dragger with a few tickets that actually gives a damn £80pd

 

 

 

Groundy with chainsaw certs ,aerial rescue , clean, well spoken,forward thinking, pro job and taking on some responsibility, full clean licence with towing. £120pd + a truck

 

 

 

As above with machine driving tickets and HGV license £150+.pd + a truck

 

 

 

Bob

 

 

Where do I sign?

[Daniël Bos]

You really ought to think about your prices. If you're earning the same as the hired help, you're doing it wrong.

Why?

We're roughly equally qualified, do the same hours, and put in the same effort.

I put in the time and effort to get the job, communicate with customers, quote etc, I get paid for that to the same rough hourly rate.

I bring more and more expensive kit, but the cost and depreciation etc are factored into each job.

 

So why would I need to earn more?

 

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[eggsarascal]

There's a few jobs to do before that Mr E! Ground floor is still soil & concrete from the cattle pens which needs to be dug out and a new pad cast in. Guess what I'm doing over Christmas! Just hoping I don't need to under pin it.

 

Give me a shout if you need a hand. I'll happily drive half way across the country, sleep in the back of my van for £80/day..... So long as you provide bread and water.

[Mick Dempsey]

Why?

We're roughly equally qualified, do the same hours, and put in the same effort.

I put in the time and effort to get the job, communicate with customers, quote etc, I get paid for that to the same rough hourly rate.

I bring more and more expensive kit, but the cost and depreciation etc are factored into each job.

 

So why would I need to earn more?

 

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To justify your expenditure, extra stress and because it's your balls on the block.

 

Plus, and most importantly, because you can. (And money comes in handy)

Edited December 11, 2016 by Mick Dempsey

[mixedangased]

That's the result of MY blistered and worn hands Mr P! (And a singleminded determination to spend it rather than give anything to the w⚓️'s at HMRC!!)

 

So my wages for 48 weeks in 15/16 was £31.25/week....

 

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

Give me a shout if you need a hand. I'll happily drive half way across the country, sleep in the back of my van for £80/day..... So long as you provide bread and water.

 

 

Ground works of that type isn't something I'd want to take the lead on but I'd work harder than any paid labourer for someone that knew what they were doing!

 

You know (I hope) full well, you'd have a comfy bed, good food, fair fold and a laugh!

 

So when should I expect to see you?

[flatyre]

Low wages are the reason this market is so saturated. Everyone wants to go on their own now chasing decent money, which then makes quoting more competitive and drives prices down, which in turn drives wages down; a downward spiral ensues.

People are working for very small companies, with no real job security and rubbish wages.

If ground staff and climbers alike, knew they could reach, say, £120 a day and £160 a day respectively, they'd be more inclined to work harder, stay loyal and not want to set up on there own, for example. If a groundsmans potential earnings are only £80 a day and some holiday days, well it's no wonder this is an over debated topic. People can earn that sort of money stacking shelves. This is a dangerous, skilled and hard industry and I for one think wages should reflect that. A brash dragger starts at £80 and a competent groundsman who can handle rigging, help the climber by pointing out pruning points on a large reduction etc etc should be able to command good money as they are a valuable resource/asset.

 

Exactly, low wages force the guys with potential to strike out on their own not just for the money now, but for the money in later life given the short career length in the arb business, round here some firms won't take on a climber over 35. And dragging brash full time will burn most people out long before retirement age. Its a case of get out or set out on your own and hope your health and luck last until your the boss and have someone else do the heavy work for you.

[aspenarb]

Where do I sign?

 

Depends which of the four you are John, desperate here for the last in the list.

 

Bob