Potus ???

[Johnsond]

4 hours ago, sime42 said:

 

There's always some common ground to be found somewhere, as long as you engage in  reasonable, considered discussion.

 

I still maintain that the average hardworking, obese American, just trying to get on in life, isn't going to be able to work a 16 hour shift in a Chinese style sweatshop, 6 days a week. Yer man would've done better to prioritise fixing the ****************ed US food system before starting the tariff flip flopping.

 

China does indeed have a reputation for industrial espionage. Although that's probably out of date now. They're years ahead in most manufacturing processes and tech. development, including in renewable energy generation most importantly. Trump just hasn't realised that yet. Who knows what the hell they're capable of on a military front as well, they're not just an economic danger potentially.

 

On the Israel/Hamas conflict. No one has ever disputed the fact that what Hamas did was brutal, barbaric and inhumane. Nor the fact that it obviously needed a response. The nuance you are missing here though is that Hamas is not the entirety of the Gazan people, (innocent women and children included). Similarly, not all Palestinians are Hamas members, most aren't. Also, it's about the proportionality of the Israeli response. 

30.48 : 1

🤷‍♂️No proportionality in war 

[Johnsond]

4 hours ago, sime42 said:

still maintain that the average hardworking, obese American, just trying to get on in life, isn't going to be able to work a 16 hour shift in a Chinese style sweatshop, 6 days a week

And nor should they ffs

[Mark J]

4 hours ago, Johnsond said:

🤷‍♂️No proportionality in war 

Were the Nazis right to try to exterminate the Jews?.

 

If you believe there is no proportionality in war.

[GarethM]

1 minute ago, Mark J said:

Were the Nazis right to try to exterminate the Jews?.

 

If you believe there is no proportionality in war.

I'm seriously questioning your logic and equally your common sense/naivety.

[peds]

 

Trump's "Counterterrorism Czar" now saying that anyone advocating for due process for Kilmar Garcia is "aiding and abetting a terrorist" and could be looking at being federally charged.

 

Absolutely loopy!

 

 

[Mark J]

6 minutes ago, GarethM said:

I'm seriously questioning your logic and equally your common sense/naivety.

That wasn't aimed at you, it would still  have gone over your head even if it was.

Edited April 17 by Mark J

[GarethM]

4 minutes ago, Mark J said:

That wasn't aimed at you, it would still  have gone over your head even if it was.

Righht, war has no proportionality and even the most basic GCSE level of history education should have taught you that as a minimum.

 

But, but, but Geneva convention.

Yeah, the enemy generally doesn't give a toss about your rules of engagement or ethics unless you want everyone to live by a Knights code or practice with a bow on a Sunday?.

[Mark J]

3 minutes ago, GarethM said:

Righht, war has no proportionality and even the most basic GCSE level of history education should have taught you that as a minimum.

 

But, but, but Geneva convention.

Yeah, the enemy generally doesn't give a toss about your rules of engagement or ethics unless you want everyone to live by a Knights code or practice with a bow on a Sunday?.

Why should we (UK) have a ground army when we could just use our nukes?

[GarethM]

2 minutes ago, Mark J said:

Why should we (UK) have a ground army when we could just use our nukes?

Seriously, that's your argument!.

 

Fine, it's a deterrent and will never ever be used as that's the point of the biggest stick.

 

My dogs bigger than yours and look at the leash, because we can't ever put the nuclear genie back in the bottle.

[Mark J]

6 minutes ago, GarethM said:

Seriously, that's your argument!.

 

Fine, it's a deterrent and will never ever be used as that's the point of the biggest stick.

 

My dogs bigger than yours and look at the leash, because we can't ever put the nuclear genie back in the bottle.

So you agree that proportionality does have its place in warfare?

Thanks for that. Have a good day.