Potus ???

[Johnsond]

47 minutes ago, Steven P said:

Ahhh, smoke and mirrors again..... Ignore Trumpy.... look over there..... However Trump is pertinent in the POTUS thread I think?

Who said anything ignore Trump 🤷‍♂️resorted to standard SP BS so quickly 😞

The normal answer nothing from the anonymous man of arbtalk. 

[Steven P]

14 minutes ago, GarethM said:

So between these almost perpetual protests you must be going on, do you actually have time for work or is it a white guilt trust funded life of protest and sticking it to daddy?.

 

Ahh, but I am not funded by the tax payer, so can do what I want, nothing illegal for me. My views are not being repressed by Trumps ego.

[sime42]

Fear not, this character will sort out all those scary, dangerous students.

 

 

 

 

Edited March 4 by sime42
Duplication

[GarethM]

15 minutes ago, Steven P said:

 

Ahh, but I am not funded by the tax payer, so can do what I want, nothing illegal for me. My views are not being repressed by Trumps ego.

And shouldn't that be the default?.

[Steven P]

Exactly!! Protesting shouldn't be illegal!

 

 

(however criminal acts alongside a protest, vandalism, assaults, and so on should still be punished of course)

 

 

 

Edit: To reiterate a point. If I protest, I'll take time off to do so (paid time off), a government employee, also takes (paid) time off to do so, Students, with no fixed 'hours of work' take time off to protest, no difference.

 

If I take time off, the job still needs to be done, I accommodate that, if a government employee takes times off then likewise, and if a student takes time off, then they make accommodations to make up the the work not done that day - with no fixed work, the working on a Sunday is no big deal (with me, maybe a bit of an ordeal, travel to work, open up and so on), but assignments still need to be completed.

Edited March 4 by Steven P

[GarethM]

11 minutes ago, Big J said:

@Johnsond and @GarethM - neither of you are presenting your case coherently at present. Both of you are falling into the trap of personally insulting those that you are disagreeing with in addition to continual 'what-aboutery'.

If you want to make a case for how you feel that Trump's actions over the weekend are a positive thing, why not make that argument? It would be far more persuasive than simply saying "classic 'insert lefty Arbtalk member's name here' left nonsense", or saying 'what about when Keir did this and Blair did that etc etc.

I'm genuinely interested to hear an ambitiously persuasive argument rather than recycled Maga talking points

Right back at you & Steven P.

[Johnsond]

23 minutes ago, Big J said:

@Johnsond and @GarethM - neither of you are presenting your case coherently at present. Both of you are falling into the trap of personally insulting those that you are disagreeing with in addition to continual 'what-aboutery'.

If you want to make a case for how you feel that Trump's actions over the weekend are a positive thing, why not make that argument? It would be far more persuasive than simply saying "classic 'insert lefty Arbtalk member's name here' left nonsense", or saying 'what about when Keir did this and Blair did that etc etc.

I'm genuinely interested to hear an ambitiously persuasive argument rather than recycled Maga talking points

Rubbish J

I’ve not had a huge amount of input recently into the Trump fest on here. 
Reality is I’ve no case to put as such, you hate the UK you hate Trump and you hate the Tories, there is nothing to be gained from to and fro on it. As for comments about SP and SP alone the  anonymous mystery man of Arbtalk 🤷‍♂️, J he couldn’t lie straight in bed, or give a straight answer if his life depended on it. His views align with yours hence here you are. 
My points about the armed forces and the war monger Blair have been made many times as have the ones about Starmer defending terrorists. 
point out to me where I have used MAGA talking points !!

Regards Starmer 

Thats what boots on the ground looks like J, you may take the moral high ground in regards the actions ongoing to cease conflict in Ukraine but in reality the sooner it’s done the better. Ukrainian people like the Finns may always be rightfully pissed off but the betrayal started years ago as well you know. Question J, I’ve asked it often to a few here, have you ever served in the armed forces or been under fire ??. It seems to me the ones who have never experienced either here and politicians are the ones taking the uncompromising line, the war in Ukraine is just an excuse for you and others to go on an anti Trump frenzy, fyi I think he acted like a prick the other night worse still was Vance 🤷‍♂️. 

Edited March 4 by Johnsond

[Mark J]

2 hours ago, GarethM said:

Cough cough, far right and two tier Kier.

 

No, the distinction was quite clear.

If you're on the clock, no protesting for you.

 

Lunch time, you're time and out of any uniform, fill yer boots, but waltzing around campus shouting about Palestine is POINTLESS, no actually the step beyond pointless, infantile.

The First Amendment of the United States Constitution protects the freedom of speech, press, religion, assembly, and petition. It was ratified in 1791 and is part of the Bill of Rights. 

 

Freedom of speech

• The government cannot restrict a person's ability to express their opinions or ideas 
   
• The government cannot retaliate against someone based on what they say 
   
• The freedom of speech includes the right to discuss publicly and truthfully all matters of public concern 
   

Freedom of the press

• The government cannot restrict mass communication 
   

• A free media functions as a watchdog that can investigate and report on government wrongdoing 
   

Freedom of religion 

 

• The government cannot establish a national religion

• The government cannot impede the free exercise of religion

Freedom of assembly 

 

• The government cannot interfere with the right to peaceably assemble

Freedom of petition 

 

• The government cannot prohibit citizens from petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances

The Supreme Court interprets the extent of the protection afforded to these rights. 

[sime42]

47 minutes ago, Johnsond said:

Rubbish J

I’ve not had a huge amount of input recently into the Trump fest on here. 
Reality is I’ve no case to put as such, you hate the UK you hate Trump and you hate the Tories, there is nothing to be gained from to and fro on it. As for comments about SP and SP alone the  anonymous mystery man of Arbtalk 🤷‍♂️, J he couldn’t lie straight in bed, or give a straight answer if his life depended on it. His views align with yours hence here you are. 
My points about the armed forces and the war monger Blair have been made many times as have the ones about Starmer defending terrorists. 
point out to me where I have used MAGA talking points !!

Regards Starmer 

Thats what boots on the ground looks like J, you may take the moral high ground in regards the actions ongoing to cease conflict in Ukraine but in reality the sooner it’s done the better. Ukrainian people like the Finns may always be rightfully pissed off but the betrayal started years ago as well you know. Question J, I’ve asked it often to a few here, have you ever served in the armed forces or been under fire ??. It seems to me the ones who have never experienced either here and politicians are the ones taking the uncompromising line, the war in Ukraine is just an excuse for you and others to go on an anti Trump frenzy, fyi I think he acted like a prick the other night worse still was Vance 🤷‍♂️. 

 

 

Have you rested your case yet, or are we to await the inevitable edit? Thus far you've just missed the point again. 

 

I'm curious to see a considered, coherent argument that honestly justifies the position that Mr Trump is a force for good in the world. You obviously feel strongly about the man, what gives you such confidence in his abilities? I think most people had doubts about him, (and what the US has become under his short leadership so far), if only in secret. After the events of recent days though that number must have swelled even further. I'm genuinely surprised and dismayed that he still has such strong support in some isolated quarters. How on earth can it be acceptable for the US to align itself more closely with Russia and in doing so distance itself from the West? I don't understand how that does not alarm you more than whatever Starmer is up to?

 

 

[Johnsond]

1 hour ago, sime42 said:

 

 

Have you rested your case yet, or are we to await the inevitable edit? Thus far you've just missed the point again. 

 

I'm curious to see a considered, coherent argument that honestly justifies the position that Mr Trump is a force for good in the world. You obviously feel strongly about the man, what gives you such confidence in his abilities? I think most people had doubts about him, (and what the US has become under his short leadership so far), if only in secret. After the events of recent days though that number must have swelled even further. I'm genuinely surprised and dismayed that he still has such strong support in some isolated quarters. How on earth can it be acceptable for the US to align itself more closely with Russia and in doing so distance itself from the West? I don't understand how that does not alarm you more than whatever Starmer is up to?

 

 

A lot of the usual incorrect foolish assumptions bordering on lies and the usual boring pretentious “ you get didn’t get the point remark”. Or indeed the inevitable laughable comment regarding when I use the edit facility compared to the silence when a team mate does 🤷‍♂️😂. 
I’ll not get overly alarmed at something I have no control or influence over. At least not to the point of the hysteria a handful of you have exhibited on here, what is it I’m often told “ other than posting on an arb forum what are you actually doing about it” ?? . Regarding alignment with Russia !! What do you think has financed the Russian war machine for years ?? You do realise the conflict has been going on for a while longer than 3 years !!, look closer to your beloved EU for some answers in particular Germany, I’m pretty sure the orange one warned the EU years ago over lack of NATO contributions and dependence on Russian energy, strangely you geopolitical strategists were silent then. He made no bones about the fact it was gonna be America first, the US voters put him in, you may not agree but as the saying goes” dry  your eyes 42”. if anything it’s a wake up call for European nations , let’s not worry about bollocks and step up to the mark. Look at Poland for example have they have it right in many ways on a lot of matters from immigration to defence. 
 

If the war ends do you see that as a good thing ? or is it bad because Trump is involved. 
Or do you want them just to keep fighting indefinitely, you could always **************** off over and join the rest of the foreign lads in the trenches over there if you feel so strongly about it. 

Edited March 4 by Johnsond