Potus ???

[GarethM]

31 minutes ago, sime42 said:

 

As the most prolific poster in this thread, do you Davey, think this episode is to be applauded: Trump's attempted takeover of Greenland? If not, then how should Europe counter it, is Mr Starmer on the right track, or should he display more balls? Fair point about Maggie, but she had a far easier job with Reagan. She wasn't dealing with a narcissistic tangerine toddler.

 

If indeed he is playing 6D chess against a grand master, then maybe Starmer should deploy the King again. I.e. threaten to cancel his USA visit. In seriousness, the promise of, or threat to withhold special treats seems to be the only way to deal with Trump. Much like any other toddler. Alternatively, Norway could just give him another big gold medal for not invading Greenland. What a ridiculous situation we find ourselves in.

Regardless of the democratic process of the USA being followed, it's naive to think that the damage that the current Potus is inflicting left, right and centre is confined only to the USA. 

 

And you think Starmer and his useless clan of European despot's are doing any better than virtue signalling and doing diddly squat?.

 

If Donald is playing chess, Starmer and the EU are barely able to play tag in the playground.

[Mark J]

29 minutes ago, GarethM said:

And you think Starmer and his useless clan of European despot's are doing any better than virtue signalling and doing diddly squat?.

 

If Donald is playing chess, Starmer and the EU are barely able to play tag in the playground.

Donald and Nigel are off to the WEF soon..how does that sit with you, Gareth?

[GarethM]

12 minutes ago, Mark J said:

Donald and Nigel are off to the WEF soon..how does that sit with you, Gareth?

I'm sure those friendly tit whisperer greens and half the labour party will be paying Donald and Nigel's cigar and bar tab.

[Johnsond]

1 hour ago, sime42 said:

As the most prolific poster in this thread, do you Davey, think this episode is to be applauded: Trump's attempted takeover of Greenland? If not, then how should Europe counter it, is Mr Starmer on the right track, or should he display more balls? Fair point about Maggie, but she had a far easier job with Reagan. She wasn't dealing with a narcissistic tangerine toddler.

Well someone has to feed the TDS sufferers 42. 
Question Question Question Question 🤔🤔no thanks lad, been there done that too many times, I might try SP/TA’s tactics and just act as though you never asked any, you seem ok with that. 
 

[Squaredy]

11 hours ago, openspaceman said:

It wasn't by the Marshall plan. Germany and Japan were rebuilt under it wheras UK was excluded from any of the resulting trade. Worse was the exclusion of british scientists from knowledge they had supplied  in the Manhattan project. The UK government realised the new threat was Russia and embarked on our own nuclear weapons project but without some core knowledge which resulted in a fire at Windscale.

As I said the war in wouldn't have been won without US industrial might ( which was able to develop hugely in the absence of bombing) and the many more of their servicemen that were killed than brits ( in fact US commanders have always been a bit gung ho with their use of troops from 1917-18 through 1942 to 45 then Korea and Vietnam).

 

Yes during the war we received massive amounts of material and food but the american economy grew  well from the war, we emerged destitute and the cost was the loss of the colonies as a result of the Atlantic treaty.

 

I grew up in the early post war years and saw the way the american standard of living was outstripping ours ( my father's younger sister was a GI bride and the family visited several times in the 60s, twice on Cunard queens before air travel took over). Then half a crown was referred to as half a dollar, a dollar was 10 shillings and 4$ to the £, That's how far we slipped in economic terms.

 

I did not know about the WW1 debt but oddly we committed troops in the russian civil war after 1918 but don't think  the US did . I suppose their irrational fear of communism had not yet developed.

 

Thank you very interesting.  I am aware of the difference in living standards post war in the USA and the UK and much of Europe.  But I wasn't aware about the trade so I will be reading about this.  I often say to people I know that WW2 was in effect won by the USA and lost by Europe.  Which is not to deny the incredible efforts of the UK, France, and a host of other nations - it is just that even the so-called winners in Europe were losers in reality.

[daveindales]

A topic I find interesting.  By  the way, with regard to helping other nations, the British gave a lot of aid to russia. Some of which came from Britain via America. 5000 tanks and 7000 aircraft including nearly 3000 Hurricanes and 1300 spitfires, together with radar sets, depth charges, bren gun carriers and millions of rounds of ammunition etc. Some British hurricane squadrons were even based in Murmansk, Russia for a while.

Those on Artic convoys must have gone through hell, what with the extreme weather and not knowing if you will get torpedoed at any moment 

 

Obviously America had a huge impact on winning WW2. However, without The British Isles, they would have had nowhere in Europe in which to establish a foothold in Europe. Nowhere to station their troops, aircraft, ships etc. How could the allies have undertaken the invasion of Normandy or anywhere else in Europe?

 

[Squaredy]

43 minutes ago, daveindales said:

A topic I find interesting.  By  the way, with regard to helping other nations, the British gave a lot of aid to russia. Some of which came from Britain via America. 5000 tanks and 7000 aircraft including nearly 3000 Hurricanes and 1300 spitfires, together with radar sets, depth charges, bren gun carriers and millions of rounds of ammunition etc. Some British hurricane squadrons were even based in Murmansk, Russia for a while.

Those on Artic convoys must have gone through hell, what with the extreme weather and not knowing if you will get torpedoed at any moment 

 

Obviously America had a huge impact on winning WW2. However, without The British Isles, they would have had nowhere in Europe in which to establish a foothold in Europe. Nowhere to station their troops, aircraft, ships etc. How could the allies have undertaken the invasion of Normandy or anywhere else in Europe?

 

We should start a History thread maybe...