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thankyou for that really insightful reply. It is our fear of it being a lottery. Exactly as you said, the guidance just isn't clear at all. But it's good to know that the assessment can be split. This is totally eyeballing it, but if one were to use the horizontal portion of that hedge in the image I attached. I'd say its around 65/35 deciduous:evergreen. The height of the laurels is only above 2M where property 2's garden boundary is, but that laurel does run through all the hedge, just mostly at much lower heights. The deciduous trees are mostly 6M or so i'd say. If one were to include the other section of the hedge down the right hand side of Property4, i'd say it's then more like 85/15 deciduous:evergreen. My personal opinion is... if all the deciduous trees were reduced in height should the complaint be upheld, that would be the worst outcome... but my point is that once the council is involved...my fear is that it would be then out of any of the properties control regarding what they do and don't deem to be part of the hedge and acionable. By HHLL do you mean the spreadsheed calculator to determine actionable height? We've used that and indeed the evergreen portions of that hedge for property2 would be actionable based on that. Hopefully not the immediately close deciduous ones though!

The legislation is different in different parts of the UK. The deciduous content can have only one of a few effects on the outcome. Firstly if they are the majority of the hedge, it doesn't qualify for a High Hedge notice, no matter how bad the shade. Secondly if it is a high hedge the deciduous content will give the neighbour some relief from shade in the winter. This can be significant but will not be percevied as such, especially for sunlight. Thirdly if there is a high hedge notice it most certainly can be part of the actions to have it reduced. It is the effect on enjoyment that matters, not that it is deciduous. Which way it goes is matter of degree. Mostly to do with height. It's not a binary decision. Mixed hedges are impossible to predict. The HHLL calculation is not appropriate for most situations and makes no sense for partly deciduous hedges. It is possible to split the assessment, for example assess only the laurels and ignores trees amongst them. Rather poorly written legisaltion, badly written guidance and generally poor understanding of the technical issues by Councils and Reporters. Bit of a lottery really.

I hear you, and thanks for the insight. We are all in dialogue to be fair, and have been in the past. We're just at the point where all parties have tried to agree but all the properties want something different, it's actually been good writing this out. Property 1, 2and 3 all feel they shouldn't have to pay to have the evergreen (laurens and confiers) part of the hedge reduced down to 2M, and feel the guidance and calculator on the gov website does clearly demonstrate that the evergreen portion of that can be complained about with success. But again, it really comes down to how the council see that hedge....So my question does remain, does anyone know if the complaint can be limited to the evergreen portion of that hedge? and if not... what would it mean for the deciduous trees immediately next to them? I

I vote for number 2, then you'll have an arsey neighbour forevermore with a grudge. Just speak to them and don't go down the legal bs route, as if it was me I'd be slamming the door in your faces at the very mention of legal or right to light. For lack of a better description, why should I have to cut back my hedge & trees because you bought a new build next to a tree that's been in my garden 20 years.

Thanks, We're certain that the evergreens in the corner do qualify for a complaint. As they are a run of more than 1 evergreen hedge and are over 2M in height. As I said above it is those that the complaint would be focused on with the council, (with a fee of £500 no less). I imagine the outcome could only go three ways, and we're just unsure on which. Those 3 being :- The council agree with the complaint and deem only the evergreen portion as the 'hedge' and make an order for only those laurels and confiers to be reduced to 2M height. :- The council deem the entire run (all evergreen and deciduous) as one huge hedge of which there is more deciduous than evergreen, and reject the complaint as it's not "predominately or wholly evergreen" :- The council agree with the complaint and order all the evergreens and deciduous to be reduced down to 2M. We think the last one is least likely. But really unclear on which way it will go. What do you think?

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The council will do absolutely NOTHING other than empty words and platitudes. If you're asking will they force a owner to cut a tree, that's a no. If you're offering to pay for someone to do it for the owners they might be happy to, but your going down an arsey road of piss em off and they'll just let it grow as it probably predates yours by a good few decades.

I'm asking if this went the formal route, would the Deciduous trees be affected if a complaint was raised? The complaint would be regarding the height of the evergreen Laurels and Confiers in the corner. But if the council route is taken we're not sure if the outcome would be to reduce the height of those, or reduce the height of all the deciduous trees next to them too. It's not clear to us from the .gov website where they would deem the 'hedge' to start and end.... or whether the complaint can be limited to the evergreens so the deciduous remain untouched. Property1 has been asked to reduce the height of the evergreens and the deciduous and to pay for it all, they have said no.

What exactly are you asking as the property owner of number 1.

Good morning Arbtalkers 😊 Gonna be a glorious day...

Hey, we're in the NE of England, i'll update the original body to include this.

Morning all, went to bed late, full of wine and awake at 7 with full bladder and wine mouth! No wonder she got up! Various chores and jobs, but maybe an i e cream later! Munchies, Tess, Settee. (Cannot get this one!)

Hi guys, I'm looking to purchase my first stump grinder and got my eyes on a FSI B22. The only thing that is holding me back from buying one is no knowing if it will on the back of my Hilux tipper with ramps. I don't currently have anywhere I can store a trailer, hence the question. My truck has the usual chip box and small lockable box for saws. Has anyone made their grinder fit?? And how do you secure it down?

Good Morning All.

What country are you in?

Morning all, Same for me as Mick and Stubby, Doug. I probably go to bed too early as well. Broken sleep for years now, since mid fifties. However, I don’t feel sleep deprived next morning. Looking warm this coming week.

Taking into account your other posts which lead me to believe you might be stirring the pot, but I'll not go that direction yet, in what way do you mean thick/programmable?

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I struggle to sleep after 3am. I probably go to bed too early.

Morning Mr Doug, Simple solution is to move to wales and get wet every day. Plus you can become a sheep man 😁

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You have my sympathy Stubby, no fun.