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    Article: So you want to be a freelance climber do you?

    Not something I ever thought about doing to be perfectly honest. And if I'm even more honest I thought I'd still be employed on the books at a good company working 7:30 till 4. Funny how life changes things around for you.

    So you want to be a freelance climber do you? Good for you! But let me tell you this, it won't be easy.

    Let's start from the beginning shall we. Say for arguments sake your at a firm on the books earning a decent wage and have some quality benefits! £10/12/14 an hour plus over time 20 days paid holiday plus bank holidays, statuary sick pay, the boss also lets you have a credit check for those pieces of gear you want but can't yet afford and your crap at saving money!. So you come to work each morning to a good days graft then go home, you have a couple of early days here or there that when you get back to yard by 1:30/2pm you either do a little maintaining of the equipment! Or just tidy up. Or if your super lucky the boss will say call it a day you may even get paid for going home!! You may also not. One day you fancy doing a Saturday for a bit extra money, it might be because you've had a barny with the mrs or you just want to earn a little more in the wage packet. Either way your helping the boss out clearing his busy schedule everyone's a winner! (Except the mrs)

    Fancy a day of because it's cheaper to go to Alton towers on a Wednesday than it is on a Saturday? That's ok make sure you give the boss a week or 2's notice and you'll even get paid for ride on the nemesis.

    So your in the work shop on a rainy afternoon you decide to go through all the rigging gear and do your own LOLER weekly/monthly checks and you start to accumulate a fair bit of gear! Now you have a replacement list for these little bits the boss is going to love you! What a little star you are spending his money! ;) week later and the boss calls you and a fellow worker into the office, awesome news you've just been told your doing an extensive first aid course in 2 weeks time! Not only does this cost you nothing your also getting paid for it. Just as your about to leave the office with a sense of "yeah that's going to be a right laugh Barry" haha he gives you the a box full of all the replacement gear you ordered! You also catch a glimpse of the receipt!! £580!!! Jeez "glad I didn't have to pay for all that" you blurt out!!

    So it's Xmas and your off work again all paid for and thinking about how much food and alcohol content your going to have to work of when you get back in 2 weeks!! It's ok though the boss being the boss will understand you want a steady week back into the job so organises a cushy weeks work.

    Spring time and your out on a job but you forgot something! Just ring the boss he will bring it down!! Wow that phone call didn't go down to well! I know he's got a lot on his plate what with the tax returns the huge amount of quotes he's got coming in and all the LA paper work he's got to rake through, not to mention the 3 electric shutdowns and 4 roadside traffic management sites to organise!! But did he just call me a F'ing bell end and put the phone down???

    So after a couple of weeks of have you got everything, don't forget the fuel, sticky note reminders in the cab of the truck you've obviously learnt a lesson!

    You need to leave early to get to the dentist, it's ok the boss has said half a day is fine to finish at dinner. I doubt he'll pay you for this one BUT I've seen it happen.

     

    Anyway!

     

    That's enough about you lets talk about Brad! He's a freelance climber!! WOW!! He must be on footballers wages look at that gear he's got! You ain't never seen one of them thingy majigs before!!! Wtf is it? Wow and double wow he's got a pair of pfanner Zermatts on! There like £240.. Wow. That's like a years wage to kevin the collage lad!

     

    "Bet you earn loads of money don't you Brad?" You say.

    "Haha if only I had half of it, if only you knew the half of it" brad replies!

     

    You chuckle and go on about what you was doing!

     

    The thing is with brad he's a top climber and a grafter to, and earns a good days wage with it. But you see in reality he's no better off than you, in fact some years/months he's worst of than you! Because not only is Brad on 40/50/60 quid more than you a day he also receives no holiday pay! No sick pay! He doesn't get paid for trips to Alton towers like you and a first aid training day will likely set him back £100 or more quid and a loss of earnings for that day. Brad also had to replace a few bits of gear recently, yep all accounted for by brads extra he's on to you a day! All £600 of it! Just don't mention saws at the minute to him though! It's a saw point! :D You see brads 372xp seized the other month because someone filled it with straight fuel not 2 stroke!! It's ok though he's assured he's going to get it replaced by the guy he was working for at the time! First job for him as well that day!! Haha come to think about it Brad still hasn't had a text or call back of him since he rang him 2 weeks ago asking him if he received his invoice ok!! Oh well I'm sure he will call! In the mean time he will have to make do with what he's got because he can't afford to spend anything for a while now after replacing all the rigging and climbing gear he's just bought!

    Brads in for the day today slightly odd but apparently he hasn't got much work on as everyone of the firms he works for has gone quite. So unfortunately so to employers on the books brads the first one gone for the time being! Who knows it might pick up in the next days/weeks/month!!! I wonder if brads accommodated for that in his days wages! Who would have thought seeing a talented guy like Brad doing tree work one minute to helping his mate out roofing on £90 the next all because it's not very busy in our industry!

     

    I guess he's doing what ever it takes to survive! Because like I said at the start "it's not easy"

     

    These are just stating only a small area of the huge difference between being employed and self employed! If you have a steady job/income then I urge you to seriously think about what you want to do and really look into what you do and don't get either way. It all looks great in pictures and on film but when things go bad that get very bad very quick.

     

    Anyway hope you enjoyed that and your not asleep by now haha just something I wanted to write for a while now. Excuse any spelling or grammar! I wrote on my phone whilst in the bath :D haha

     

     

    All the best

     

    Adam

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    I think the area makes a big difference, I don't know of any full time subby climbers in scotland, there maybe one somewhere, but I have never come across one. I think you need to be in or near a massive urban conurbation like Manchester or london to make it work.

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    I think the area makes a big difference, I don't know of any full time subby climbers in scotland, there maybe one somewhere, but I have never come across one. I think you need to be in or near a massive urban conurbation like Manchester or london to make it work.

     

    I'm not sure about that, a lack of work could possible be an advantage, lots of work leads to large firms with lots of employees, not much work could mean the flexibility a subbie offers being very attractive.

     

    I think the main thing is being good, very good. You need to be able to make your clients money, not just get the job done, IMO.

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    One thing, who's the boss who pays lads to go to Alton Towers?????WTF?????:001_huh:

     

    Does he mean the APF, ? :001_smile:

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    A great post Adam. Agree with a lot of the replies.

    Yes colleges are partly to blame for the false thoughts of being 5he rocks tar climber with a pick up and chicks draped all over it. A lot of people moan about them keeping prices down etc etc good luck too anyone trying there luck. I have been employed and it was easy going but I wanted more, my pants wages and low overheads made it easy for me to take the leap. It takes a lot of courage, stupidity on some people's part, to go self employed. If someone has not thought it through properly and put in the ground work they probably won't last very long. But for me it's panning out alright. #LivingTheDream.

    And yes if your just a gun for hire ie a top handle and some ropes you are probably a little bit limited.

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    no worked for a couple charged between £120 to £150 a day he just wanted me to take on anything he had coming in. just didn't turn out to be enough even with my own work and the odd job from other firms

     

    i'll just ask the question even if it makes me look a bit stupid. what exactly is a freelance climber? what I did was work for a firm in a lead climber position but the guy had to book me in advance, I also worked for other firms mainly when they had to much work and not enough people, organized my own jobs as well. is there something im missing here?

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    i'll just ask the question even if it makes me look a bit stupid. what exactly is a freelance climber? what I did was work for a firm in a lead climber position but the guy had to book me in advance, I also worked for other firms mainly when they had to much work and not enough people, organized my own jobs as well. is there something im missing here?

     

     

    A freelance climber is just that nothing more! Offers no other service, like other machinary, chippers and tippers, grinders ect. A freelance climber does a days climbing or what ever it maybe for a set amount under the authority of the company he's working for that specific day!

     

    A sub contractor offers more but under his own authority and what other equipment he uses to get the job done for whom ever it is he's contracting to. Also covering someone else site/work with his own insurance and sometimes his own work force.

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    A freelance climber is just that nothing more! Offers no other service, like other machinary, chippers and tippers, grinders ect. A freelance climber does a days climbing or what ever it maybe for a set amount under the authority of the company he's working for that specific day!

     

    A sub contractor offers more but under his own authority and what other equipment he uses to get the job done for whom ever it is he's contracting to. Also covering someone else site/work with his own insurance and sometimes his own work force.

     

    But many (including myself :blushing:) often refer to freelancers as "subbies" when as you say they aren't really.

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    Very very wise words Adam I have been a contract climber for ten years before then 7 years employed I spent my employed younger years thinking all I wanted to do was be the hero subi climber that came in and did all the difficult take downs that everyone was in awe of the first few years of self employment I did feel a bit like I was some sort of tree hero travelling miles to sort companys problem trees but it didn't take long for reality and a recession to change things it's a lot of unappreciated hard work often often pushing ya body and sometimes safety to the limits to get jobs done that other employed climbers would have twice the time to complete I am now 34 I have a terrible bad back a terrible addiction to working at every opportunity I am given because I don't no when it may go quite and with a family mortgage and all the other expenses running 5 chainsaws countless climbing and rigging kit plus a pick up I worry even day about money I make a good day rate but like u said not getting any money for any time off sick or holiday soon makes that day rate not look that clever! Thank u for ur post I no I wasn't the only one thinking what u first wrote but I hope some young lads stay employees hone their skills and if they decide they really need a mental and physical every day and worries the rest of the time come to the dark side and be a subi climber ha

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