Paddy1000111

I think you are confusing what I am saying. When I am saying 2 ropes I mean- 2 anchors, be it a rope and a side strop, 2 ropes, 2 strops whatever. That report from HSE is from 2004. It was reviewed, along with training and industry standards last year.

If it ran good for a while and then packed in are you sure you didn't accidently straight fuel it or ran it lean with poor H jet adjustment or a blocked fuel filter? What's the rest of the saw like condition wise? Personally I would rather spend the money on a piston/cylinder kit and have a nice running saw than buy another which could pack in the same way.

This thread was pretty constructive until this handbag swinging bs. All you have said is "I have done this longer than you so I don't follow the law" Which is fine, it's your choice. I just don't get why this is an argument? No-one here is saying "You guys don't know what you're talking about" no-one is saying "You can't climb and have no experience". 2 rope (or 2 anchors) isn't something suggested for better practice, it's not a industry good practice, it's not something taught on courses as a better way to do things and the amateur online is saying your all wrong and shouldn't be climbing, it's the law and failure to follow it can lead to you being taken to court for it? There's no argument in this. If you choose to crack on with single rope then that's your choice? I'm not telling you what to do, just trying to make things better for the guys who follow the law or are forced to climb two ropes by their organisations by creating a tool that makes life easier as camp genuinely care about what we think of their kit and want feedback to improve things from boots on the ground. If you want to call my story about the farmer BS then go for it but it is what it is, a story I was told by the local farmers when asking why they were buckling down on their safety equipment and what staff can and can't do.

I use Stihl Synthplus. Seems to be the go to for most of the guys on here too! Especially as an occasional user you're better off spending the little bit extra and using decent quality oils/fuels as they all suffer in storage

That's some of the stuff they showed me they made from previous milled planks. Absolutely beautiful!

Both synthetic bar oil (as bio gums up) and synthetic engine (stihl green) oil. Obviously if you buy Aspen it comes with synthetic oil in.

Yes and no, I would argue it's no more damaging than bird poo as that is acidic and can eat paint for breakfast. Especially seagull for some reason. It's an impracticality. I would put it on the same level as acid rain, bird poo, the sun, leaf litter, gritters and the subsequent salt damage to chassis and pepperdashing to bumpers. It's not the tree that's the issue, it's nature. If the guy was that worried about his car then he needs a car cover or find somewhere else to park it. Those trees and nature were there long before his car was there. Just sounds like someone determined to shape the world to fit them as opposed to accepting it as part of life.

The work I have picked up for milling has been for a company that uses them to make live edge kitchen work tops, stair cases and stuff like that! Some of the things they make are beautiful!

I had a crack with a 500i the other week and really liked it. Really good throttle response and screams. The guy who owned it said he hasn't had an issues with it at all and it had seen a fair bit of use being filled with a stihl press to fill can and nothing was cracked (although I didn't inspect it). All saws have their issues. The autotune saws had issues with the solenoid and filters but that was sorted. The feedback on the 500i seems pretty solid in favour of it! Only thing I would say about the 500i is the AV mounts are very soft so it makes the saw feel "flimsy" even though it's not.

Can't speak of the quality of the knock off ebay ones but the genuine stihl ones are worth the money. The files are interchangeable and you can get new ones for a couple of quid. Not sure if you can get new files for the rip off ones and also not sure how good the files are that come with them. Other than that it looks like good unit, check to see if the bar is worn as it looks like it's seen a fair bit of use. There's loads of ways to check but if you put a straight edge between the side of the tooth and the bar it shouldn't go flat to the bar. Run synthetic oil in it as bio oil will gum up if you aren't using it regularly and running it on aspen whilst more expensive than petrol will mean that it starts and runs whenever you pull it out of storage!

By all means prove me wrong that two rope isn't the law and you can't be charged for beaching HSE laws. or Quote me saying that you have no experience and don't know what you're talking about. I have said you SHOULD climb two rope as it's the law and the new standards of work. I've also said it's down to you if you follow the law or not, it's your choice BUT you COULD be charged. I'm not trying to troll anyone with false information or suggesting bad working practice.

Thing is, they can. If they do or not is down to the situation and how your hse rep treats the case and may even come down to the way you treat him. Bit like the police, if you get pulled over for speeding and you graciously apologise and kiss boots then you stand a good chance of being let off with a stern warning. Start pulling out the "I pay your salary, you work for me" bs and you can find yourself in the back of the car on the way to the nick. Everyone has different experiences. That story stuck with me only because it was an extreme response and maybe a case too far and definitely not the norm but it showed to me that no-one is immune and there is no exemption to the rule. By no means is it the standard and it doesn't in any way prove that it will happen to everyone but it is a possibility. It's a bit like Rich's story, the kit not being lolered wasn't the cause of the accident. Maybe the hse rep thought that possible life changing injuries were enough to teach the guy a lesson without him getting done over for paperwork especially if the kit, whilst not being lolered, was in good condition. I'm not denying that hse don't have compassion. Yea, it probably does but you are arguing with me about the law. Something black and white. This whole thread was started to make something good for everyone and then it turned into the usual "I don't use two ropes, you don't need to, why bother" thread. If you don't want to follow the law then fine, some of us HAVE to be it through being an employee or like me, prefer to just crack on and try to stick to two ropes because why should I develop a bad habit? I still wasn't "wrong" on that insurance forum, my point was to check you insurance and make sure you're covered. A point that was supported by the insurance companies. My other point was you can be sued for gross negligence as a freelancer and it's why if you deal with anything that can cost money you get professional indemnity insurance, something that I had for a number of years when I was working as a freelancer because I was dealing with stuff that was high value. But lets not start that again. I don't talk down to people like fools, or at least I don't intend to. If it comes across that way then I apologise. I would much rather have a discussion about something than have an argument but instead of concrete proof, i.e something someone could take to court that would get them off scot free which is the only proof that really matters the usual response is "I have more experience of this industry than you" which is true, but insurance and the law doesn't change between industries. Notice when I have argued about something, I've not been telling people "Don't bother checking you're insured" or "you don't need insurance" or "You don't need to follow the hse law" or "HSE won't charge someone who's a sole employee of a ltd company" or other advice that can lead to putting someone at financial risk. My arguments have been "Check your insurance", "If you need insurance get it" "Follow the HSE laws" but somehow I am giving out bad advice. My time in aviation does matter because the insurance, employment and health and safety laws are identical to this industry, the rules don't change. The only difference is when I was filling out paperwork, signing documents and working, if I did something outside of the rules I wasn't putting myself and a groundie at risk but I was putting myself, the hundreds of people I worked with and every single person that flew on that plane at risk and I could be charged with manslaughter for up to 3 years after I carried out that job. I guess being in an industry like that puts things into perspective. Considering my experience however, I sure as hell wouldn't start telling someone who has been in this industry for years how to do a disassembly or try telling them how to do their job. I agree, there are. I've not told anyone here that you don't know what you're doing or what you're talking about. My only point is 2 rope is the law (and when I say 2 rope I mean having two anchors at any point not that you need two ropes holding you up plus lanyards etc). It's up to you if you follow it or not but I originally created this thread not saying "Stop working single rope" and "Experienced climbers don't know what they're doing" but "If you have to follow two rope then lets create a new tool that works". This didn't need to become the usual arb talk, experience/I know more than you grudge match. This thread was constructive until that happened, and for what?

But the law. Sorry you two but the law has changed. If either of you want to give me a proof of exemption for this industry or a clause that says "if you have X amount of years experience then you're exempt" then I will bow down to your experience. Otherwise my point stands, climbing single rope is against the health and safety at work act which means it's illegal and you can be open to being charged for it if something serious happens. Instead of saying how long you've been doing it for, or how little time I have been doing it for, tell me how you're exempt from the law. I've been saying from the start though, if you want to break the law then it's down to you, but you are breaking the law 🤷🏼‍♂️

Considering that this whole thread was about bringing the community together to give us something we could all use that benefitted everyone I really don't get why it had to become handbags at dawn because I repeated a story I was told as an example of being screwed over and no-one is immune to HSE

Out of interest what was the cause of the accident? I've personally not heard of someone not being charged because of them being a director, that's not really how HSE works but there we go!

Are you torqing it down properly? Unless they're being cross threaded when put in, done up too tight or coming loose they shouldn't strip? The only other cause is worn out threads from continuous insertion/removal?

I'm not quoting anyone or I would have quoted them, just seems the general reaction of a lot of people when talking about two rope... I'm not saying 2 rope is faster, more practical, more efficient or anything. Just that the law requires us to now use it. If you work for yourself and you don't want to then fine, but it's on your head if you get charged for it. Some people have no choice and HAVE to use two ropes and "But the guy on the forum doesn't do it" doesn't really wash in a disciplinary after a report. The whole point in this post was to create a tool that those who use two ropes like to use and camp want feedback and want to create that. "I don't and won't climb two rope" isn't constructive here. I don't get what was so unbelievable about my post? I don't directly know the farmer, and I wasn't there, but the farmers I do know buckled down on their safety and started outsourcing work after it happened and that was the story I was told. A farmer was up on his own barn roof with no safety equipment, he fell and got seriously injured, HSE took him to court for it. If you can tell me what about that story is completely unbelievable go ahead. It rings true with the law and the only missing piece is how it got reported to HSE. Maybe his insurance company asked to see the report and one wasn't made so he ended up filling out one to get the insurance pay out and then screwed himself I don't know.

Maybe I will go for a trial. I've got quite a bit of time driving an IVECO and it was solid. The transit does feel spongy and weak in comparison but that was a luton van that I used to use. I'm not sure if I can account for the extra money. Excluding the arb conversion it's £20,400 incl vat for a used van vs £30,000 incl vat for a new Man. 10K is a lot of cash and I just can't see a new MAN saving me 10K in the long run?

I'm not getting in a tizzy. The reality is, be it working for other people or for a company some people HAVE to use two ropes. It's up to you if you follow the law or not, bit like driving, I don't know anyone who has always stuck to the limits. The whole point in this post was to get feedback from others who have to use two ropes or have experience with the gyro to move forward and make life easier for those of us that have to use it/prefer to use it. I emailed Camp asking some questions about products and gave some feedback on the gyro asking if they offered anything similar or if they had anything planned in the future. I ended up talking to the designer of the gyro who wanted some field feedback on the product and what WE would like in a mk.2 gyro. This thread then got hi-jacked into "Why use two ropes, it's bullshit, I've been a climber for 20 years and never needed it" which doesn't mean anything. Some of us, be it subcontracting for someone or working for a company HAVE to use 2 ropes. I'm just trying to make things easier for those who do.

Get some nice thick hemp rope from a chandlers and tie knots in it every foot or so

I had a look but it's more cost prohibitive. They seem to be about £25k+VAT with a tipper back that needs conversion. I can get a 16 plate transit with 30k on the clock for £16-18+vat. There's an already converted good condition 15 plate with 55k on the clock for 16+vat...

If you're doing this as a full time career and you have a mortgage and/or a family that depends on you, why wouldn't you have some form of insurance for loss of earnings? If you have an accident and you're out of action with a compromised spine how are you going to keep on top of things? I've always had insurance for personal injury/loss of earnings. I'm not living paycheque to paycheque but if I damage myself and can no longer work I'm not going to risk it on £0

I can't deny that! Getting caught up in rigging etc is all too real of a risk!

Of this industry not a tonne but of being a ltd company and working for my self in other industries which involved working at height almost the entire time, a lot. Arboriculture doesn't have some magic exemption from the law, nor does it have it's own set of rules and laws. The story of the farmer doesn't include this industry but somehow that's bs? I didn't glaze over it, apart from saying that I have seen a freelancer sued for gross neglegence I don't know what you want me to say? We all have different experiences. I just don't get what you're arguing about, You haven't broken the law and you've not been charged for it? I've basically said "I was doing 40 in a 30 and I got a ticket for breaking the law" and you have said "I've done 30 in a 30 and I've not been given a ticket so you're lying" 🤷‍♂️

But it's still the same? All we are talking about here is following the law. 2 rope working is the law and now you are saying that from your personal experience if you break the HSE guidelines and work illegally you can't be charged for it? You have said that my story is bullshit and if you work for yourself under a ltd company you can't be charged by hse?