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But you have a choice in what to eat. 12 months ago I chose to stop eating meat, I’m not veggie by any stretch I still eat poultry and fish. That choice of input wasn’t automated.

Outputs need inputs you can control inputs. Ie I need to eat output auto. What to eat McDonald’s or homemade dinner input controlled. Output achieved. No I agree outputs are automatic but you can change the output via inputs which can be controlled. You may not have a choice of output but you can change/manipulate it with new inputs. You have proven this to yourself with your own outlook on life created by chosen inputs. I’m looking at it different to you I’m looking and identifying with inputs rather than holding onto outputs. If your output says I want to watch tv and by input you turn the tv on you can choose what to watch output achieved all the same. We can also prioritise outputs and choose inputs to fulfil them how we please. There is is more than one route to get to the same destination. I struggle to to comprehend how you have closed yourself from the idea that free will doesn’t exist if you can’t trust your subjective interpretation of your mind? Unless of course you do trust it it in which case it would be rather unfair to tell someone they can’t trust theirs. If you don’t trust your own mind how can you trust Sam Harris’ and find clarity where there can be none due to lack of trust. If you can’t trust your mind you can’t trust your findings, if you can’t trust your findings then all this is circumstantial guesswork not to be believed, free will or not.

Thanks to the media this guy is in for a great pay day!!!!!

I thought he was a 17 year old living in mummy’s attic occasionally driving his fiesta to the shops for snacks and fizzy pop before bunkering back down behind his keyboard. Eh well you can’t be right all the time, he’s 42!!!!

The strength and fitness involved in our manual jobs is only really any good for our manual jobs. Our jobs become the norm so if you want to lose weight, gain weight, shape up etc you have to go above and beyond what you consider a normal day.

@matelot happily married, sorry.

How do you know how many posts he has posted? And come on it’s bugging me how old are you?

Reading that sentence was an input which started to change your output. You chose to read that book you chose the input you found the defining sentence. I agree you you are not your thoughts, they are automated by the brain however you can stop them and ask for different thoughts and deliberate you can think of a topic and talk to yourself in your head and ask your brain to produce the goods. Think of any random item I won’t name one as to influence but think of any random item pick something and think about what you have chosen. Output automatic, input controlled. It interested you so you wanted more inputs, you controlled what inputs you immersed yourself with. You have proven inputs can change outputs. It didn’t just happen you made it happen and you should credit yourself with that. Maybe free will is like faith wherein you have to believe you have it. Then why would you trust anybody else’s as they also can’t trust their own subjective interpretation of what their mind is doing so on that note where back to square one and no one knows what’s what. More questions that can’t be quantified. Not sure how this is possible without trusting the subjective interpretation of the mind as purely watching the mind in action still requires thought to explain and to quantify your achievement.

I have the lime green 1 it’s great for climbing in, I had it on for a wet week before Xmas and it really is brilliant! The jackets a loose fit on the body but well fitted on cuffs etc so layering can be achieved. Next test is to see if it holds its brilliant waterproof properties after a wash. Ill report back when I’ve been brave enough to wash it.

Will could be the output of a previous state of mind - absolutely mid thought you have internally given yourself another input “right change subject” Brain chemistry determining it must happen is a an explanation of your mind carrying out the output based on input see above. Think of a computer idling along, sure in the background things are happening, services are running that we cant see which enables the computer to be on but that computer will be waiting in a constant until something happens .... it receives an input. The very statement “Will could just be” says the rest of your perceived sentence/thought could be wrong? It could just be that we have Will or free will in the limited capacity that I keep trying to put across, it cant be disproven. What you are describing could be a bug in the system as you earlier alluded too, the fact that those things do not effect everyone in the same way kind of suggests that but with any of them (I’m going to generalise them as a group to be a cop out as I haven’t experienced any of them so cant comment from experience but only offer my thoughts and I’d rather not upset anyone whose going through or gone through any of them) with some training or help with your thoughts can be broken. The fact that they dont effect everyone and could be seen as a bug would kind of say it would be strange for every single mind on the planet to have a bug to stop ourselves in thought or to change thought. Which would point towards not bug, will. We dont have limitations of mind we came from a cave we wouldn’t be this advanced if we did. @the village idiot earlier in the thread said he was depressed and turned to mindful meditation to help and now he views the world differently and isn’t as bad with the depression. Mindful meditation is the vehicle he has chosen to change or try to change his outputs. Mindful meditation is an input, so are anti depressants but they carry their own risks. Point is he chose an input which works to alter output. All you mentioned will probably have a root cause to kick out that output they feel stuck in but people who have all come out the other side will have changed inputs to get different outputs, if you read why do you choose a topic you could read any book in the world to feed the itch/output of needing to read? I personally feel we have a choice based on outputs that are automatic but we can change outputs with inputs to a degree. We have free will in a limited capacity but it is their.

It sure is and as it stands managers aren’t going to get rid of managers. It’s an interesting 1 to watch.

CQC inspection and report will answer that. What will also be interesting is if they can make it a success financially?

Yes they can learn with a bug and potentially not know of or remove bug however what your implying is that every single brain in the human world at least is flawed with the same bug because we can all break thought. I think this is profound (you’ll both disagree) it isn’t a bug it’s your ability to break thoughts at will (I have said the will word oops) which would mean free will exists in a limited capacity being that I agree outputs are automated. Before replying devote some time to thinking it over and practice and play at breaking thoughts, change topics in your head. Is that automatic, sure the thoughts are but the stopping chopping and changing topic well your doing that, after a bit follow one thought through then revert back to breaking them up and changing topic again ........ hello Mr Will.

Is it malfunctioning or obeying? We learn or our brain learns so you would think with experience the brain would learn to slow thoughts down and not let them be interrupted before throwing you another unless of course danger is involved in which case it would interrupt out of instinct and possibly reaction but we can break every thought pattern if we want to we can sporadically change subjects or topics so either it’s a lot of malfunctioning or it’s obeying as we are breaking the thought process on purpose.

Thank you and noted.

Ormskirk is virgin health now. Heard the management couldnt affford for the staff to keep striking. Not sure what truth is in that. Importantly it is still free at the point of use. It will be interesting to see how they do on their CQC inspection and compare it to last years when it was still nhs as we know it.

Or Apple strawberry what am I doing I’m going for a brew and a biscuit what have I got planned for tomorrow.

I await feedback from under my tin hat

So why the change in thoughts?

If you receive an automated thought by its very nature your brain automatically wants you to think of that, it would be very counter intuitive to cut itself off mid thought and offer something else up. Surely by virtue the thought our brain sent us, it would want us to follow it through and run it’s natural time span before moving us on with something else? Its strange how our our attention span differs with subjects we are interested in to those we aren’t.

So if I ask you to think about different types of fruit which you will, automatically, you believe you can’t stop yourself and turn your thoughts to say what you have planned tomorrow or any other subject matter?

@the village idiot if a thought pops into your head (auto output) can you stop yourself from deliberating on it or thinking about whatever that thought may be and think about something else completely different?

@matelot how old are you? It’s hard to gauge you, sometimes I think old head then other I dont know what to think but you can pick clues up as to a persons rough age, your an enigma though you have me stumped! Pun intended.

Find somebody who is prepared to subby to you man and chipper.

I have never had a sweet tooth always preferred more proper food however I stopped the booze 7 month ago to do the wife’s pregnancy dry with her, it has had a profound effect the money I saved has been spent on Lindt!! The wife jokes it would be healthier for me to drink again