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Yeh, paying someone a wage they can genuinely live on is fueling inflation, let’s completely ignore the obscene profits and transfer of wealth during Covid and now Ukraine, as the real reason. 🙄 Does not fit your narrative. I find it insulting that you or others keep mentioning my wages. I earn that wage through personal sacrifice and lengthy periods away from home. I’m also heavily taxed both Norway and the U.K. I drive an old 4x4 and Mill on the side for extra income. I certainly do not live s flash lifestyle or never have to watch spending. I work more, and earn more so my wife does not have to work and I’m putting a hefty amount away into my pension. I don’t live a glamorous lifestyle by any means. So my POV os not in any way shape or form warmed by my slightly higher than usual take home pay when the above is all considered. People manage, that’s it in a nutshell, they manage. They barely get by and it’s getting desperately worse for them, for everyone. Hell, you dipped out of the U.K. for s number of reasons but a huge factor was the price of housing verses the wages you could generate. Yet here you are berating a builder getting an extra £10k a year. 🙄🙄🙄 If anyone has a warped POV I think it’s you. “I can’t afford a house in the U.K. so Im leaving. They can’t afford a house in the U.K. either so they bloody better not give a wage that will allow him to do so.” 🙄 When wages have stagnated to the point being on Benefits is a genuine consideration you know the system is screwed. Skilled Trades have had their wages decimated over the decades and that is significantly down to joining the EU and the influx of cheap labour. Surely you can’t deny that? Bouncing skilled labour back to the levels they where 30 years ago is never going to happen but with the Slave labour disappearing since we’ve taken control of our boarders back we seem to be on the right track. The cost of living again? 🤣 🙄 Noway, Switzerland, in Europe, not in the EU. Both lower inflation rates. The inflation we’re seeing in the EU, the US and globally is down to Covid and the Ukraine. You desperately want to it to be Brexit and that’s heavily warped your perspective.

I don’t really care what you’re talking about to be honest. 🤷‍♂️ There’s a bigger picture out there and for someone who claims to be impartial you sure have a heavy inclination. To intentionally ignore the fact that two European Nations that chose to remain outwith the EU and have lower inflation rates and prosper greatly without the need to be within the EU shows there’s no actual need to be within the EU and your choosing to claim this is irrelevant is quite telling. Anyway, I’ve replied to BJ regarding some very real benefits to leaving the EU. And have a look back through the various threads for others. Stop expecting to be spoon fed. 🙄

This a bloody good thing though! Paying British people a genuine wage they can thrive and not just survive on has to be a positive surely? To think you’re actively wanting to keep the working man in the gutter is quite astounding.

I seem to move throughout Europe quite freely. 🤷‍♂️ The loss of Eastern European Slave Labour has had a well reported surge in wages for the British. Case in point being Lorry Drivers. British workers now have a chance in getting paid a real wage for their labour and if the exodus of people that are happy living on scraps have left then all the better. Companies are starting to take on British Apprentices again as it’s not as easy to just import a ready made Eastern European with his Weatabix Box qualifications. Pushing prices up. 🙄 Good grief J you sure like to twist things. I travel fairly extensively and prices are up everywhere I go. (But not as high in non-EU Norway as you so kindly pointed out to me ) Migration is a total disaster just now, this has nothing to do with Brexit though is it? They’re arriving in Boats FFS. It’s all to do with Politics and nothing to do with Brexit. But you wrote earlier that we’ve lost the Eastern European workforce. Why was that then? Could it be that we’re now controlling migration? This control of migration is allowing the British people a foothold bank in the Job Market. You’re actually selling the plus side of Brexit better than I am. 😁

Brexit has been so hamstrung from within the U.K. and with the EU that the success it could have been has been severely hampered. But again, with Norway and Switzerland both being extremely wealthy countries that have a far lower rate of inflation that within the EU and the U.K. there is no real reason why a country within Europe must be in the EU. I really don’t get the Stockholm Syndrome mentality that we absolutely have to be in the EU to prosper independently when clearly we do not. By all accounts both countries should be on their knees for refusing to submit to the will of the unelected EU, but they’re not. If the Political Class put the U.K. before their Trough Dipping and open their eyes to the reality that we’re out of the EU and we’re not going back then perhaps the U.K. can make Brexit the success we see in the countries mentioned previously. There has been many success stories since Brexit, I know because I’ve been one of those posting up links about it. It’s just ignored by the usual suspects who are die hard Remoaners. Who then ask “what have been the benefits of leaving the EU?”. It’s all been posted before, so if you’re genuinely interested have a troll through the pages.

Nope.

I’ve four to five females in the house. My ratio seems to be 1 toilet roll tube to each fire in each room each day.

Oh oh. Here we go again. 😬😁

so more of the same but with a different face at the front. 🤷‍♂️ People are strange.

I’m going to go cry into my pillow now.

Im sure I could find a little old Grannie who’s dying from the cold that would love some of his altruism. Hell, I’ll even throw all the logs for this successful businessman who’s family is desperately cold and Granny. Winner winner chicken dinner.

Resounding or astounding?

I offered you two sustainable solutions. 1, Buy unprocessed logs in and split til your hearts content. By far the most economical solution (dying grannies aside) 2, I’ll take you up on your offer. You come cut and split my logs and I’ll give you some in return. That is what you’re asking for, right? I don’t see anyone else offering you anything else other than pats on the back. 🤷‍♂️You’ll need a lot of them to warm the house.

But not in the EU, and the mood of the people seems to indicate they would like less not more ties. Switzerland's inflation is also far below that of many EU members. Close ties yes, but still a distinct separation and like Norway they prosper very well being out of the EU. I also remember very well that when the terms of Brexit where announced it was reported that it ruffled many a feather within Norwegian Politics due to the favorable conditions the UK got without the ties Norway has to endure. So two European Countries that are not in the EU that have far lower rates of inflation and are prospering very well being outside of the EU. Something that the Remoaners seem to ignore or are completely oblivious to. Being in the EU is not a prerequisite to prosperity within Europe.

Total reets. 😁

So Norway being a non-EU country has a far lower rate of inflation than its neighbouring EU member? It’s almost as if inflation is not Brexit related. 🤣 Or rather, having a low/lower rate of inflation within Europe is not contingent on being in the EU.

Ok, I concede that point.

I don’t work in an EU country though. And I’m not shielded from HMRC either. Inflation in Norway is over 10% yet I only received a 4.2% pay increase. In effect a 6% pay cut and an even higher tax burden in the U.K.

Out of interest why does no one go after Norway and Switzerland for not being in the EU? They are aligned but not full members, neither are on the EU flag or currency. They are both prosperous countries doing rather well for themselves. Why is emulating them not seen as a viable option for the U.K.?

Exactly

Between the period of Article 50 being signed and the outbreak of Covid Germanys economy was in a far worse shape than the UK’s. As you well know because we’ve discussed this previously. This was also the period where the doom mongers had the exact opposite predicted. So yes, you’re being pedantic.

So we agree it’s an utterly pointless exercise then? It all comes down to a political perspective and nothing more. You weight it heavily on Brexit and I the factors at hand. Regardless, we’re all fecked. Be it the U.K, EU, USA or globally. Im working in Brazil right now, inflation through the roof. Even here Ukraine is used as the reason for all the counties problems.

Remember the criteria. No pro-EU affiliation. Can only be points that can be directly and solely attributing evidence that Brexit was a detriment and that no other factors such as Covid or Ukraine can be a contributing factor.

Yeh, thought as much. 🙄 So you’ve no answer at all. You just wanted a whinge 🤣

Damn, really struggling to find that list, huh? Post Brexit but pre Covid Germany was virtually in recession and avoided it on a technicality. The U.K. was not. Post Covid and in the midst of the Ukraine War there is rampant global inflation and a supposed energy crisis, an energy crisis that the EU will and is feeling far worse than the U.K. and you’re adamant the effects we’re all facing is because of your desire to remain in the EU? Wise up. But yeh, that list please….