Johnsond

Well J we are gonna have to disagree on this one. The actions of this country compared to the nation that started the war are light years apart. If bombing Desden saved the life of one allied servicemen it was worth it. You are looking at it with the luxury of hindsight and through your own very left wing socialist glasses. End of day you are yet to give us the alternative methodology you would have used. I honestly don’t think it’s me conflating things here J.

Stubby I’m genuinely shocked that we have people on here equating the actions of the RAF crews of Bomber command with HAMAS and Nazi war criminals. It’s the unbelievably entitled behaviour of a generation that has not served and only knows peace. ****************ing disgusting attitude towards lads who gave up their lives then, so those self same pretentious pricks can voice such opinions freely today. Wankers no other word.

Are you genuinely stupid ??

Our views on Bomber command and you referring to raids as war crimes are never gonna align, to compare those lads actions in the same context ie war criminals as the SS and Wermacht killing squads is utterly ridiculous. Bomber crews knew the target and the make up of the bomb load on every flight J. I suspect they just wanted the Germans to quit even it was obviously a lost cause, sadly they didn’t.

I think a lot of the tactics are a result of necessity. NATO tactical doctrine relies on overwhelming air superiority 🤷‍♂️they don’t have that but do have bucket loads or rpgs as do the other side hence they are in use.

Where Britain should spend its defence budget - and why it won't be enough APPLE.NEWS There is near universal acceptance that the UK and other European countries must dramatically... As a nation any governments first priority should be its own defence and security , sadly multiple administrations of all colours have utterly failed, betrayed and stabbed in the back the armed forces. Thanks to the current US administration throwing some hard truths into the mix we might finally see the priorities change for the good,

That’s in todays news 🤷‍♂️ Come on SP bit more effort I’d say on your part. Office life is making you lazy. At least make me work for it.

100% Correct Doug just as most of the soldiers on both sides did not want to be there or be killing people. But to look back and judge them as war criminals by using today’s moral standards is just stupidity. End of the day the Allied forces had an obligation to finish the war as quickly as possible with the minimum amount of their own casualties . If that meant destroying cities and inflicting huge numbers of civilian casualties along the way to shorten the war the prevailing mindset at the time was that it was a price that had to be paid by the enemy.

Fortunately your opinion is worth Jack shit 1 of those guys who fought for your freedom are worth a thousand of the likes of yourself. Absolutely clueless. This is a serious question have you ever been under fire, in a life or death your or him situation or been on active service??

Why do you keep putting up the numbers ratio. ?? We get it !!. WTF is a digital kind of guy 42 never mind analogue concepts. Something can still be very bad, even if it is not quite as bad as a very very bad thing. 🤷‍♂️utter crap 42. Of course there are probably innocent victims as there are in any conflict but unfortunately HAMAS are the governing power as the Nazis were in Germany. War is brutal. The situation in the Middle East might be a bit better if the nations surrounding Israel stopped supporting the termination of its existence. Just as an aside have you ever been to Israel ?? Or any of the Arab states ?? I have and I can assure you that Isreal was amazing compared to any of the others. Mind you I did do a desert driving and navigation course in Jordan years ago which was awesome.

I’m well aware of how the ops were carried out and how bomber command were ostracised at the end of hostilities. Politicians did what they always do, send lads to do horrendous deeds then turn their back on them once it’s done. Yeah it’s a huge topic, and your hatred for the UK is well known J but to refer to the attacks by bomber command as war crimes is just left wing BS with a huge benefit of hindsight. What do you suggest they did at the time J ?? Take it easy and try and fight like gentlemen whilst millions were being exterminated in Death camps still operating at full tilt. You are a clever guy J and good at putting your point across but looking back 80 years and applying your reasoning and moral views today is bollocks. If it were not for Churchill we would be either goose stepping now or the war would have dragged on for years more. In WW2 terms the 37000 you describe is just a mere number. You forget to mention Russian or Japanese genocide by the way. Or even most recently Hamas slaughtering Christian’s 🤷‍♂️ J reality is human beings are the most evil creatures on the planet 🤷‍♂️. This looking back and guilt thing is maybe a throwback to your roots but for me those men were heroes not criminals.

lol 😃😃still trying to create something out of nothing just like the old covid thread. Mr anonymous and his kindling pics eh 👍👍 Looks like NATO defence spending is going up across the alliance win win SP. rape and failure ?? What are you on about surely he would be in jail if all you say is true. Funny how you don’t have the same evangelical obsession with the Asian rape gangs in the UK eh.

What do I need to justify 42 what is it you are ashamed of ?? Total war was not an Allied phrase and I’m sure the victims of the Blitz didn’t see any issues with the methodology of defeating Nazi Germany, You apologists who with the benefit of years of hindsight try to put a moral angle on something you know **************** all about. You are lucky those people who made those nightly trips were not as weak, entitled and naive as many are today.

So that’s it then “ he’s not a good man” iyo 😂😂 At least we know what he does for a living 🤔 If his harsh but true words get the UK to stop destroying our armed forces and leaving us utterly defenceless ( listen to Lord Dannet and see what he has to say about Starmers delusions) that will be a win win as far as I’m concerned. So much crying like a bitch about US politics yet so little to say about our own disaster of a government and needless to say the usual silence over the two most recent Islamist terror attacks in Europe. Classic SP.

You didn’t answer the question Whet is it we are supposed to ashamed of in our past ?? It's a bit naive to think that this episode in Middle Eastern history is going to bring peace and stability to the region 🤷‍♂️ Talk of naivety etc etc Been going on before you were born and will be going on after you die 🤷‍♂️ Maybe something to do with a particular religion you think ?? What is your opinion on how women are treated over there 42 ??

Potus thread for trump whinges

No love interest you daft bugger, no matter how hard you have tried to push that line (starting to feel like another long running thread where you when all else failed just resorted to pure BS claims ) no one is biting at you guys and the constant whining and crying about the US election result. My point on this occasion in particular is the current administration is having the required effect on NATO members upping defence spending. Funny how you give Trump just a month. How are things in the USA SP ?? You over there I take it and have a handle on what’s going on seeing as you have such a lot to say about it. By the way those are just your opinions !! Remember it was you who went on and on about the importance of sources and how easy it is to make things up 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️come on SP you are getting Lazy, too much time on your arse lad. You absolutely sure the current US administrations negotiation tactics are not reaping rewards SP ?? Canada ?? Mexico ?? Venezuela ?? On another more relevant point how is Starmer and the CV blagger doing you think?? Maybe a bit more realistic a worry than your foolish left wing obsession with Trump 🤷‍♂️unless of course you work in the public sector 🤔 SP ??? UK firms mull biggest layoffs in a decade as business confidence slumps APPLE.NEWS Impending tax rises from autumn budget fuel collapse in sentiment and rising...

Sir Keir Starmer 'ready to deploy troops in Ukraine' as he meets EU leaders APPLE.NEWS US and Russian representatives will meet on Monday to discuss peace in the war-torn region PRIME... Before he start’s grandstanding on the international stage he should maybe look at the numbers. We have more illegal immigrants crossing the channel at a cost of 42k each to keep per annum in a single year than we have soldiers in regular infantry battalions right now.

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😂Trump/Doge

I’ve never called him a saviour at all, feel free to show me where I have Mark. My point about NATO defence spending is totally valid. If he hadn’t shaken things up then the other members would not be talking about increasing spending 🤷‍♂️. It’s the fanatical Trump haters who have the issue not me. He’s in place due to the democratic process 🤷‍♂️, the same process that gave us that total blagger Starmer. That’s life Mark 👍👍 Look on the bright side maybe we will re establish and equip the multitude of armoured and infantry regiments that were got rid of by shortsighted career politicians. Be good to see the Vickers plant up and running again. Surely money better spent than on an ever increasing bloated welfare state.

You talk about deflection too 😂😂 Anyway you see how quickly a few Trump administration prods have motivated the low spending socially progressive wanker governments within NATO to spend a bit more, how long would that have taken I wonder. Do you live in the US?? Or just want to call Trump a cnt to make yourself feel better. So just to clarify you are saying they have no contact details other than government e mail accounts ?? No address or phone number, NOK details etc 😃😂🤔 Muppet you say !!

That doesn’t answer the question, how is it shameful in your opinion!!. You confuse “ our” with your “own” disgusting pretentious, apologist mentality. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Those guys who flew night after night ( often not retuning) when no other country was standing up to the German war machine didn’t have that luxury. War is shit there is no Shame in my eyes towards what they did especially not towards a regime as evil at the Nazis.

Give labour a shout and let them know your thoughts 😂

😂😂 You mean a democratic majority 👍 You guys really can’t come to terms with him beating old Joe and Kamala. The arrogance of the left comes out as always doesn’t it , disagree with your views and voila 🤷‍♂️“ you’re not that thick”. You know i have zero interest in whether you are convinced about anything or not as the case may be, as in reality it’s utterly irrelevant. His government giving the sleeping fannies a boot up the arse regarding defence spending can only ever be a good thing. The comments on freedom of speech are on the mark too. European leaders set to hold emergency summit on Ukraine APPLE.NEWS The UK PM, who is expected to attend, said it was a "once in a generation moment for our... The reality is the US have carried the financial burden for years whilst successive European governments pissed money up the wall on BS and now the reality has hit home. Basically we are in the shit without US backing. Apart from a handful of nations ie Poland, Finland etc the rest of NATO’s defence spending is a joke. I saw VDL whining about this yesterday 🤷‍♂️WTF does she and her Cartel need to be at any peace negotiations for. Maybe to discuss LGTBQIA rights in the DMZ ??. Looks like the US administrations wake up call for its NATO allies is having results already 👍👍