kevinjohnsonmbe

That takes us back to a thread from a fair way back which questioned the validity, appropriateness and measurement of 'public visual amenity' (which can often be interpreted as the blanket / catch all / easy option for refusal of TPO applications - who is this person that derives great pleasure from a tree that someone else has to pay to maintain? I've had examples where a group of neighbours can be shown to be suffering tangible degradation (not just leaves in the gutter) of their freedom to enjoy their liberty and recreation but some elusive, unnamed, unmeasurable notional public visual amenity is presented as a justification for prolonged suffering of a quantifiable group.) And it doesn't help (actually it does when apparent contradictions can be cited) when it seems that the rules can be 'bent' to satisfy the prevailing circumstances. It's possible (if I've found the right thread) that the answer to your question lies in this thread: I'm not absolutely certain it's the right thread I'm thinking of because it goes rapidly from the original question into 20 pages of pro and anti EU rantings (now there's a thing!! ) before Jules brings it back onto track at page 6. It was quite funny re-reading some of the posts up to that point and comparing with current EU debate topics though! I'm not sure it's the thread I'm thinking of so I'll look again. There was a really good thread about 'amenity worth', I'll see if I can find it....

I bow to your greater deviousness and retract my previous statement! Pride was his crime then - too brash to be a sneaky bastard ?

Tree Architecture & Morphophysiology seminar @ Barcham Trees was excellent and there’s an opportunity to catch it again at the AA Annual Amenity Conf at Exeter in September. Many thanks to Keith and Natasha from Barcham Trees for the opportunity to meet and enjoy an evening with Stefania and Giovanni prior to the seminar and also very nice to meet Simon from the Arboriculture Association. The content and presentation was genuinely unique, highly effective and totally captivating with Giovanni’s passionate and energetic delivery in Italian, followed by Stefania’s skilful translation into English. A day crammed full of thought provoking and fascinating detail which passed almost in the blink of an eye thanks to the clever delivery technique and the generous hospitality of Barcham Trees. A full room of delegates and a reserves list - testament to the quality of the presentation. It’s been a long haul driving on a ‘round robin’ which will total over a 1000 miles but definitely worthwhile with new thoughts to develop and processes to review.

Rare I’d disagree with you Mr B... But.... I bet he’s no idiot, sharp as a tack I’d guess. - scrap man, he’ll have been duckin & diving all his life.

All understood Roz, question still stands though.... Either PBC are presented with what appears to be the ‘simple’ cases or they have a different organisational attitude towards the issue. It ‘seems’ like there is a willingness AND a success rate more than elsewhere? Just ‘seems’ that way from press report...

Poole setting the standards which others should be striving to achieve again - Unless, genuinely, that really IS the only borough where inappropriate felling is taking place. More likely it’s the only borough making the effort to prosecute. Possible point of contention over the valuation issue though - if you ‘add’ the notional value of property increase, then ‘subtract’ the CAVAT value calc of the trees which have been removed, I suspect it would return a net devaluation of the property potentially negating the case for proceeds of crime recovery action...? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6911341/Millionaire-businessman-67-chopped-11-century-old-protected-trees-ordered-pay-170-000.html

A thought provoking post - no abuse should be justified nor appropriate.

Getting raged up listening to James O'Brexit demonstrating his characteristic lack of understanding and piling his media hype upon a situation / scenario which he will have very little understanding of. The 'strategic corporal' concept is well understood within military circles and this is the latest example of national / international politics (usually the domain of suits and seniors poncing around HQ or embassy taking extreme care over every spoken or written word for fear of upsetting the delicate balance of international diplomacy) being turned completely on its head by the seemingly inconsequential and impetuous actions of a very junior military person at the coal face. Imagery very easily becomes iconic - especially with embedded media at the front line and with the proliferation of personal media recording equipment which goes irreversibly viral at warp speed. The (seemingly) innocent, perhaps ill advised but usually impetuous actions of the few, can have monumental personal (Alex Blackman), national and international implications, examples of positive and negative actions caught on camera below.: positive: Negative: What O'Brien is doing is failing to consider the cause whilst focussing entirely upon the symptom. The action is foolish, impetuous and will bring severe consequences for - probably - the range commander / troop commander. That said, I wonder why the Para's are less than fully embracing of a politician who knowingly, willingly and consistently aligns himself with known terrorists and murderers and should it not be his behaviour which should be under the microscope (as a senior statesman) rather than that of an average Joe?

‘kin BRILLIANT! That’ll give someone a big headache today ? British soldiers shown shooting Jeremy Corbyn target prompts Army investigation https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/soldiers-corbyn-shoot-target-practice-army-mod-kabul-a8852156.html link includes video...

They keep it in the family in these parts!!

That’ll take the shine off it quick enough ?

Or boshing the invoice in half when they pull out the folding?

Just seen matey, later... Although, ‘‘tis like I said at W/E, get yonsel down the local print shop and get a box of triplicate, carbon invoice books knocked up. Keep it ‘70’s - yome not Steve Jobs!

Mmmmmmm, thunk about it.... Not any clearer ? My Post was not intended as any form of criticism of the Westphalian, on the contrary, I rather like the cut of his jib.

That westphalian fella is a wily bird.... He starts a thread to highlight what he perceives to be the inequities of the apparently arbitrary application of well documented and widely known conditions of contribution to the forum (by virtue of membership being dependant upon having read, understood and a willingness to abide by the rules.) I suspect, in the full knowledge that the thread he started will act both as the platform and encouragement of lesser mortals to break the very rules in question and so as to further advance and prove the observation highlighted in the thread title line.... You, Sir, are in league with Lucifer! (there's a place for you in the palace of Westminster!!)

Honestly.... Who's first thought when they read this was (*insert your own word - mine was the colloquial term for male genitals)

I’ve had a ponder ??s. Whilst a fine opportunity for gum bashing, this’ll be one of they threads which serves mainly as a platform for the spewing forth of venomous vitriol where no genuine opinions are likely to be swayed one way or the other to any significant degree. As such, the benefit of presenting any personal opinion would be a fairly fruitless undertaking. Ive cast my vote and will acknowledge the returned result of the majority. I may, or may not agree with whatever the result returns, but hey, I’m not gonna spend the next 2 years whining about it.... ?

If only life was that simple mucker.... ?

Now listen 'ere oatcake boy, I've only just happened along and found this little teaser. Got my vote in and pulled it back to 50 / 50 on the poll which is good. Maybe as the evening draws out and the productive, creative, contributors to society get home and catch up that lead will pull even further away from the work-shy, stay at home dossers that spend all day online rather than doing something more constructive with their lives.... Hold that thought whilst I compile a more comprehensive set of reasons for celebrating the premiership of the great lady after I get back from the gym....

The spelling Police? (come on, now that WAS funny....)

I'm just a tad suspicious here.... Either, as suggested, you have a comprehensive reading of esoteric philosophy, or (as I did).... You watched Noah late on Sunday night on BBC2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noah_(2014_film) If you happen to change your login name to Tubal-cain anytime soon I'll know which it is ?

Just too many options to offer a comment there Ratty!

Your logic / observation is irrefutable - but the proposed amelioration is never gonna fly (whah ?) Therein lies the rub with the likes of the Green party - some great aspirations but lacking the minerals to do what needs to be done to satisfy their own agendas.