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learn as many as possible, and try them out, its also good to be able to tie a variety for different purposes and depending on what kit you have, the prussic is classic and is always good to know as is knowing how to tie a whole system just using one rope, even when move away from the basics its these basics that you can always fall back on to get you out of a tricky spot.

majestic i think we have just discovered what you can do with your tree runner when you get bored of it....that is one tough piece of kit!

James, i'll PM you as i it will take too much space, Majestic, My issue is slightly budget based hence why the stein isnt on the agenda, though maybe it will be...may have to sell a few things...Ashdown 300watt bass Stack 1X2X10" + 1x15" cabs 300 quid anyone.... I like the stein have used it, works almost too well...The tree runner just looks so simple and seeing as i said before i have to at times work with people who arent clued up on rigging its almost fool proof to set up....though the Stein in my mind looks more versatile...... sod it i'm going to flip a coin, heads tree runner, tails stein rc .... .... ... ah this foreign coin has neither...any one got 10p??? Josharb87.... where abouts you based in Sweden?

James as in door knocking, 2cv driving, 'your mum' James? Its Tom mate, the tall good looking one from your course

so what your are saying is, the stein can take upto 2000kg of force over the tree runners 500kg?

also the treerunner has been available for at least the last two years if not longer over here from Skogma, who get all their stuff from Germany, i was put off with the tree runner because a lot of the climbing kit under their name i have found to be over priced and not the best, but then everything in sweden is over priced.....' what size ropes have you run on the tree runner? like i say i'm tempted by the polydyne 14mm rope, i think that can handle most things I do.

Me and my mate both live in Sweden, I'm down in the south, Malmö just opposite Denmark. its cheaper to get kit shipped over than to buy it here most of the time....... I worked for Amber tree care near Gainsborough, Milleneium Tree Care, Marshall Tree Care before Lee packed up and moved away, Enterprise, did some work along side continental landscapes in lincoln city. Yeah Riseholm was a kind of cool, good times had there, i lived on campus for two years whilst doing my ND, I'm definitely more north side of Lincolnshire than your self. DO you know John Dawson? he's from that neck of the woods i think....

also majestic, where abouts in Lincolnshire are you based? i may have asked already but i cant remember, i used to stomp around there quite a bit, Scunthorpe, studied at riseholme near lincoln, owrked for a company near newark etc.

a mate over here just had a tree runner shipped over, but wont be working with him again until august..... I really like how simple the treerunner looks to set up, sometimes i have to sub in to companies who give me blokes to ground who have never rigged, so i figure the tree runner is so simple to set up, no flapping a round, no need to feed through a bight etc, though this wouldnt be a problem but sometimes there are language difficulties. i think i will go for that and run a 14mm polydyne rope on it as i this will cover me for most stuff i come across.

the gps locator could be given a miss for most though, unless there is no mobile signal etc, but then if there is no mobile signal then that should have been planned into the risk assessment and suitable measures taken. A climber i know Pete did a course in first aid with lots of severed limbs etc, sounded good, sick of hearing office types on my refreshers moan about tripping over bins and paper cuts. The kit sounds and looks like the proper deal, and could well save some ones life, and considering how harsh the serious injuries incured in tree work are then if not the kit in full...(cotton buds? saw dust in your ears??) but bandages etc, blood stoppers etc should definitely be included in any kit. - you just got to read some of the accidents reported on here to know all of this stuff is good, the kid who gashed his neck in the tree, hell he would be dead if all they had were a few plasters and a triangle bandage, a story where the grounds man went into shock and froze up and was thus useless - perhaps a days training having blood and limbs chucked at him might have prepared him a little, I think the current emergancy first response etc, which appears more to be dealing with your fat office based types dieing of heart attacks from too many mc d's. Companies should rehearse emergancy rescues - an a company i worked for use to to do this, usally if it looked like we were on for an early finish, the opps manager would come up to the tree and say 'you've just cut your arm, blow on your whistle and after 2 minutes black out' it was a pain in the ass sometimes, but other times it was fun and prepared us for the moments where it was a real situation..... i wonder how many climbers have done a rescue climb since their cs38....... perhaps it should become a requirement to have the rescue climb reviewed every 3 years as well? or even less, make sure climbers are still familiar.

looking for info form those who have used these, i have played with the stein, very nice bit of kit, but i like the simplicity in set up presented by the tree runner though have yet to use one myself, but its looking more and more that these kind of lowering bollards are becoming fast favourites . How do they compare with regards to the size of wood you can drop on them, i remember on another thread talk of being able to drop more on the tree runner due to its stability against the tree,

confused as to the purpose of the ring....

on the canal i used solar for 12volts, good in summer, though doesnt give a deep enough charge, i dont understand why more stuff isnt run on 12 volts, if done right you can run anything, A mate had a wind turbine, worked kind of, but again more of a trickle charge than a deep charge...... not really relevant to land dwellers, but if you are just thinking about powering stuff in your shed, then some good (and thats the key good') leisure batteries and a transformer and your laughing, but watch out for voltage drop if you running wires else you could end up with fires.

oops she got it wrong, we now have cleared it up, yes i now know en, or enbuske, we have to protect them when we are doing rail clearance in småland, i like the fact there is in fact a swedish form, Juniperus communis suecica which i have seen quite a lot very distinctive form.

ah! missus just told me, yes i fight with en on occasions not so bad here as in the uk though

I'm down in tropical Skåne that has such crazy things as these exotics , hornbeams i like, not so many but i see a few, though most people i know call them just Aven, not sure on En though? keeping in line with the thread, when i first came over and dealt with people who actually know about trees (so not the infamous tree felling team company) when i couldnt understand their swedish we used the Scientific names so i knew which trees to prune and fell etc., so it helps, and when putting your self across as a professional arborist some people like to show off their own knowledge of scientific names so it helps to know what they are talking about.

i did say it only covers about 99.999999% which if you talk in terms of swedish tree cover i'm not far off though i forgot about lönn, lind? how could you forget lind, blod bok personal faivoret, körsbär - they have been tasty this year

i always order trees in latin, no confusion in variety, i have to follow architects insane planting schemes, they write all their trees in Latin. Surveys, you might have 5 types of maple in one place, Latin distinguishes between them. I worked with scientists collecting tree data from many different countries working on one project, the Latin is the name chosen by all to identify the trees. Also there are interesting facts and information in Latin names, certain words mean certain things, e.g pesudoplatanus means a false plane. A lot of diseases are only called latin names..e.g phytophthora. Latin is just one of the tools arborists have at their disposal, if you write a lot of reports etc and surveys your going to probably use Latin, if all you do is work on the tools with no interest in biology etc then you wont, no harm in it. Its only like one climber using SRT where another doesn't, you can climb a tree with out SRT, i never use it, but i can see where SRT has its merits and that it can infact be a more effective way of climbing, much as Latin in the right situation can be a more effective and useful way of identifying trees. For anyone to slate people who choose to use Latin is perhaps a bit harsh, although i dislike people who look down there noses at people who don't use it. Just because you know Latin doesnt make you a good climber or even a good arborist, but nor does being just a good climber in any way make some one a good all round arborist.

tall, gron, ek, bjork, - that about covers 99.9999999999% of tree species in sweden.

just got my 45meters of poison ivy delivered, spiderjack for christmass is the work goes good havent used the rope yet but initial inspection looks good

these are great things, if no one needs to get your attention....

does any one just spike down?

oh yeah and best of luck! its a great trade to be in if you a willing to put in the effort, and be expected to get the grim stuff as well, i.e when a big log rolls into a ditch filled of stinking water, you will probably be the one who has to get it, but its character building and one day if you are lucky you will eventually get to send some one into a ditch - its almost a rights of passage.

before i got my tickets it was a struggle, worked for peanuts just to get some experience. So the tickets will help for sure. Then ring every one you can, tell them you are looking for work and are wondering if it is possible to do a days trial, Its quicker, and if there are people interested they will let you know straight away. Also you cant show you are a good worker on paper, so a works trial is the best, and any decent bloke will pay you for a days trial (dont say you will work for free ever!) and if you get a trial take a cv and any relevant tickets and graft your nuts off, we dont care if you got a C in biology and sports science, so just the tickets also keep the CV short, contact details, list of qualifications, driving licences etc and any relevant experience, and dont write an essay on your experiences, for example, if you are lucky you will get chance to tell every one your lifes story at the pub on friday after work June - September 2009 - Groundsman for Toppers and Loppers Ltd. All duties relevant to being a groundsman including, use of a chipper and saw on the ground. or if you have no tree work anything relevant e.g gardening. But to be honest a lot of people including myself have far too many bits of paper (its a conspiracy by the Forestry Commission i tells ya) and anything not urgent gets buried indefinitely so only send a cv if requested. and preferably by e-mail.

just goes to show why its so important not to work alone, have rescue climbers, and people trained in first aid, all it takes is one slip. going get me some of that gauze stuff for the first aid kit. Glad to see that this incident has ended as happily as i could.