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should i mention about the time you cut your thumb with a chain saw there jenksy?

truth! i also find plugging the cut with sawdust and moss helps to stem the bleeding.... i once used spray on plaster, it hurt like hell and did nothing....

So today's heated debate at work was....'flip lines are chainsaw proof' said he......'i think not' says I ' though they do offer some protection against cuts you can still mash through one, especially with a big saw' any one agree or disagree or have any experiences? My old boss who's name i shall not name as he floats around here once nearly cut through the big old blue swedish strops with either the 660 or 880, there wasnt much left holding it together...he manage to realise what was happening in time. Also why is it so difficult to get some to accept that they need to have a soft link in their flip line if they use a cam or grab???

sorry...i meant it in an endearing manner.... Climbers round these parts get called it a lot, chimps are damn fine climbers i reckon...... i didnt mean to come across as insulting.. as you had imop hit the nail right on the head! why is it a problem if a customer says could you just... of course there are the little things that are really no bother, but if its a bit more than that charge em...your already there earning on the current job you are doing... and if they say in that case no then fine.... you can get back to your days plan as it where

when i worked for a company in oxford we use to start work early to avoid this...and try and miss the tush hour back....but until the next plague hits and wipes out half uks population then the traffic is as inevitable as bad weather.... i don't for a minute believe we can solve every problem we come across...but there are some that we can find solutions to or at least take steps, or change our point of view to realise that it really isn't that much of a problem ( the could you just?) and its by using these forums and information we can improve our industry but only through collective effort and sharing of knowledge etc. I am intersted to see which things crop up the most and not surprised so far.

thats why we get called in in the first place isnt it? cos the bloke down the pub with a saw from netto cant fell the tree....but agree unless we use big cranes its a pain, i'm so glad i havent had to drag through some ones front room for a long time now....

Agreed! or at least in part this group are a major thorn in the industry as they take alot of the bread and butter work away from us.....is there anything we could do??? what actions could be taken?> or at least attempt? (legally mind - i'd rather turn the isle of white in to some interent tv fight to death reality shoe for these swine....but the isle of white doesnt desreve such bad treatment) are these people affecting solely private clients? or are they nicking the bigger works as well?

give this chimp a gold star! 'of course i can just do that and seeing as i am already here that will only be an extra £(enter you desired amount here).

you forgot the customer who doesnt bring out a cup of tea the customer who has built a greenhouse full of Ming-vases and rare orchids direclty under the tree in the time between the quote and turning up to do the job and seemed bemused as to why you inform them it is now going to cost more as it is not the same job. i have a work phone and private phone, work phone goes on to answer machine only when its non work time, so i dont get that problem, how can we stop your heavy handed work crew busting up your kit? impose fines or rewards for not doing so? is there a problem with the kit that the manufacture might be able to fix? Customer awareness seams to be a very strong issue, tey dont know nor appreciate what it is we do....i agree, i want to solve this, not sure how....we can send leaflets, but who is going to pay? who is going to read? who is going to care? Any other ideas on this?

Who tells em they can expect to earn hundreds? course providers? careers centers? how could we get the news out they don't? Is it simply a case that the information that is made available to the newbies is out of date because i know blokes i both forestry and arb who started 15 -20 years ago and earned more in the hour than most arb employees do now. If you hate Leylandi so much dont cut em, if you do it for the money, well you cant hate em that much coz they pay the bills.... non payers are a chore but there are means and methods (legal ones mind) to get what you are owed right? so despite the inconvience this issue usually can be solved right? I spent today with a bloke who is developing a piece of kit called the throw saw.....for what it does it sounds alot for the price....but not when you add up everything that has gone into it. You can buy basic treeclimbing kit that costs less than the fancy new toys, prusik over a lock jack, cambium saver over the ART....people have some choice in how much they invest in kit,

So....that would imply that there is a lack quality breathable water proofs out there that are suitable for the job at an affordable price is the problem i agree.....what would you want from your waterproofs and be willing to pay for? is £100 too much for stuff that does the job and lasts? the wind....well yeah its a pain in the arse.....especially when chipping.....but could a modification be made to the shoot? or the chip box? and lawns.........yeah....will think on that.....not too much you can do....but...how about some cheap plastic matting for the main drag? which is where most of the damage occurs right? that muddy path that gets them all tutting? I dont see people on the beech when its raining coz im in the pub, miles away from the beach so i wouldnt know if they where there:001_tt2:....see plenty of people fishing on the canal though....

i truly hope this can happen one day and you missed out, get them to hand over the money in advance.... but i'll ask again......who is setting the prices so low?

what about customers? brake it down to the most annoying part? is it payment? is it their lack of understanding of what is involved? what exactly? pick one point that bugs you the most about customers......

is your kit insured? how do you make it safe at night? how do you keep it safe in the van/ on site? how can we make it safer? i see chippers with location chips in them now.... i can track my phone position from a computer when its turned on....could we do this with a saw maybe?

What exactly about the weather??? how does it cause problems? (dumb i know but looking for expansion on this point) Surely there is not the wrong weather (bar storms!) just not being prepared properly? It aint so cold if you have the right gear is it? you can buy good water proofs or cant you......and the wind...the most meschievous of the elements.... in short, we cant stop it, so how can we improve the ways in which we deal with it?

Truth! i cant not express how much i agree. So what is there we can do? who is setting these prices so low? why are they getting lower when costs get higher? (i know this sounds dumb and it is obvious but i just want to see what people say..... )

any one recommend a good splicing workshop / training course?

In short...... What is one problem you face with this line of work? the biggest? or the most annoying? a niggling thing that happens every day maybe? a problem with kit? a problem with regulations? it can be anything, but only one at a time.... Then perhaps we can work on some solutions...... just a thought.

i just found this thread! when is the deadline?

this depends.........do you need kit for pole rescues when on a flip line and spikes? My rescue kit comprises of.....a spare climbing kit...harness, lanyard, rope all set to go, a couple of extra slings and pulleys and something sharp, i also have a set up for pole rescue which is a bag with a rope, a Lorry belay device and a couple of slings....one note make sure all climbers have a soft point in their wire core flip lines so in an emrgancy you can cut them free, trying to haul up a 90kg bloke who is ko's or in shock takes time and kit for lifiting. I dont know what kit you mean with the stein, have you got a link?

but why do we? we make a lot of money from them....they should be our favourite

i saw the title and just wanted to say....i agree.

i see the point but it is pointless........i know where you are coming from but you were lost to start with...... There is no true boundary between the terms, both are correct, there is no set level you must achieve to be one above the other, unlike medical surgeons etc. Its true it bugs me when some one who has just got their first climbing kit and ticket advertises as and Arboriculturalist (i think i spelt that right) but there is nothing wrong with doing so. What about qualified Arborist? with a qualification in Arboriculture? you cant say you are a qualified arborist with only a tree climbing ticket surely? you would be a qualified tree climber? anyway....it matters not what you say you are but what you are capable of doing and the level of professionalism you carry it out at......also i dont say im a Arboriculturalist to impress the ladies......i tell em i'm a dolphin trainer at sea world.

live on a boat and then dont care....

truth!