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quote Alycidon 'Tree surgeon is getting his wood for nothing and basically getting rid of it for beer money. Chances are his logs are uneven in size and length as they will have gone through a splitter/chainsaw rather than a processor. They will also most likely be green.' Bit of a bold statement to make in a sub forum on a tree surgeon website. Last I looked this site was called Arbtalk as in arborist / arboriculture….. Not….’Disgruntledfirewoodmerchanttalk’ Your woes might I humbly suggest may be better fixed by looking inwards rather than outwards. By this I mean looking at getting yourself some industry standards especially with regard to volumes sold, along with the quality elements which you have listed.

Could be a night out with the shotgun mate. You should put those pics on an arborist website and get some advice. Don't suppose you have enough spares in the nursery?

I took down a 60 foot pine yesterday (in the rain by the way) and the neighbour asked me for the wood. I said 20 quid and its yours I’ll just cut it to length for you and chuck it over the fence. It was about 2 foot diameter at the base so there was a fair bit. He said no thanks. I used to give it away but now I try to get a bottle of wine or two out of it. I carted it all up the back garden to the truck at the front and he saw the pile on the truck and changed his mind, even though he told me he doesn’t own an axe. I said fine mate but it’s 30 quid now. Why, because the labour has begun, I just shifted it. He declined. We had a good chat about firewood though and I learned what he’d been paying and for how much etc.

I have some anecdotal, theoretical, man down the pub type evidence that it may affect mychorizae (sp) and therefore tree roots by association. Observed thinner growth rings on oak which coincided with spraying of roundup. It was in France too, just to add to its credibility:001_smile: Gutted to hear about your yew hedge Dean...so lovingly grown from cuttings.

You are not alone, but the point you raise might be better off in its own thread as this is just a review thread. My post was light hearted and not intended to start this debate in this thread but I tend to agree. I refer you to my famous and popular 'Chainsaw Boots' thread....I don't dare to state its full name here:001_smile:

Those are very sexy looking boots Steve, and they won't clash with my Stretch Airs. Gone are the days of chainsaw boots turning into cow pats after a few months. Wanna swap??

People can be poor for different reasons. They may be on benefits, or on a low wage or both. I don’t begrudge them making a bit on the side. It could be a decent school uniform for the kids or a bit of beer money ….whatever. I have no problem with subsidising the above type scenario. The thing I don’t like subsidizing is all the public sector workers who blagged early retirement on good pension deals. That gets my goat.

People can be poor for different reasons. They may be on benefits, or on a low wage or both. I don’t begrudge them making a bit on the side. It could be a decent school uniform for the kids or a bit of beer money ….whatever. I have no problem with subsidising the above type scenario. The thing I don’t like subsidizing is all the public sector workers who blagged early retirement on good pension deals. That gets my goat.

That's what I think when I look at a cube of wood:001_smile:

That's what I think when I look at a cube of wood:001_smile:

That's what I think when I look at a cube of wood:001_smile:

Thanks Genset. Do you remember we fell out fairly badly a couple of years ago over my 'why not sell a stacked cube' thread. We had Sweden involved and everything. That's not why I had a pop now though as I am a bit fed up with these type of arguments about price etc. I work in a low overheads way and it busts my arse:001_smile: I split by hand and sell about 15 cube, and the folks use about 25 cube burning their burner 24/7 till next september:001_smile:

Thanks Genset. Do you remember we fell out fairly badly a couple of years ago over my 'why not sell a stacked cube' thread. We had Sweden involved and everything. That's not why I had a pop now though as I am a bit fed up with these type of arguments about price etc. I work in a low overheads way and it busts my arse:001_smile: I split by hand and sell about 15 cube, and the folks use about 25 cube burning their burner 24/7 till next september:001_smile:

Thanks Genset. Do you remember we fell out fairly badly a couple of years ago over my 'why not sell a stacked cube' thread. We had Sweden involved and everything. That's not why I had a pop now though as I am a bit fed up with these type of arguments about price etc. I work in a low overheads way and it busts my arse:001_smile: I split by hand and sell about 15 cube, and the folks use about 25 cube burning their burner 24/7 till next september:001_smile:

There are a lot of assumptions there for sure, but based on the black economy assumption of your own post. I'm a bit fed up with employers moaning about undercutting etc. however I have to confess that you are due an apology for any personal element to my post. I was generalising about some elements of your post with no basis whatsoever for laying those things on you personally. Edit: crumbs you are getting a good price, what's the problem?

There are a lot of assumptions there for sure, but based on the black economy assumption of your own post. I'm a bit fed up with employers moaning about undercutting etc. however I have to confess that you are due an apology for any personal element to my post. I was generalising about some elements of your post with no basis whatsoever for laying those things on you personally. Edit: crumbs you are getting a good price, what's the problem?

There are a lot of assumptions there for sure, but based on the black economy assumption of your own post. I'm a bit fed up with employers moaning about undercutting etc. however I have to confess that you are due an apology for any personal element to my post. I was generalising about some elements of your post with no basis whatsoever for laying those things on you personally. Edit: crumbs you are getting a good price, what's the problem?

Arbtalk is full of people who run their business through their own choice in a high overheads manner. Then they moan at others for running their business’s on lower overheads and call it undercutting. My advice to them is firstly to stop spending money that you don’t need to spend. Secondly, get on the tools yourself, as the highest overheads are in wages. Unless a particular way of doing things is against the law, then it’s a matter of personal choice. I suspect that this is not all a matter of black economy, but a matter of hard personal graft. In my case it is certainly not black as I declare all my earnings. There is another prevalent attitude here on AT which I think is epitomized by the OP. This is that in some way you own your local market. I suspect it’s because you are born and bread there so you think you own it. Anyone has a right to cut wood and sell it anywhere, anytime and any place, no matter where they are from. The assumption that your particular competition are on benefits is just that, an assumption. A question to the OP…What was your price for a loose cube last winter, mine was £70. I’m a tree surgeon selling my excess and not a log merchant. I supply my parents for free with about £2k of wood every year.

Arbtalk is full of people who run their business through their own choice in a high overheads manner. Then they moan at others for running their business’s on lower overheads and call it undercutting. My advice to them is firstly to stop spending money that you don’t need to spend. Secondly, get on the tools yourself, as the highest overheads are in wages. Unless a particular way of doing things is against the law, then it’s a matter of personal choice. I suspect that this is not all a matter of black economy, but a matter of hard personal graft. In my case it is certainly not black as I declare all my earnings. There is another prevalent attitude here on AT which I think is epitomized by the OP. This is that in some way you own your local market. I suspect it’s because you are born and bread there so you think you own it. Anyone has a right to cut wood and sell it anywhere, anytime and any place, no matter where they are from. The assumption that your particular competition are on benefits is just that, an assumption. A question to the OP…What was your price for a loose cube last winter, mine was £70. I’m a tree surgeon selling my excess and not a log merchant. I supply my parents for free with about £2k of wood every year.

Arbtalk is full of people who run their business through their own choice in a high overheads manner. Then they moan at others for running their business’s on lower overheads and call it undercutting. My advice to them is firstly to stop spending money that you don’t need to spend. Secondly, get on the tools yourself, as the highest overheads are in wages. Unless a particular way of doing things is against the law, then it’s a matter of personal choice. I suspect that this is not all a matter of black economy, but a matter of hard personal graft. In my case it is certainly not black as I declare all my earnings. There is another prevalent attitude here on AT which I think is epitomized by the OP. This is that in some way you own your local market. I suspect it’s because you are born and bread there so you think you own it. Anyone has a right to cut wood and sell it anywhere, anytime and any place, no matter where they are from. The assumption that your particular competition are on benefits is just that, an assumption. A question to the OP…What was your price for a loose cube last winter, mine was £70. I’m a tree surgeon selling my excess and not a log merchant. I supply my parents for free with about £2k of wood every year.

That was a really good well thought out post Tom D. I'll be looking out for your thoughts on life, the universe and everything in future:thumbup1:

That was a really good well thought out post Tom D. I'll be looking out for your thoughts on life, the universe and everything in future:thumbup1:

Right..call me a sad .... but I've googled it. The hyphen is incorrect but it appears to be spellable with either one r or two:001_smile: online oxford English: deburr (also debur) Definition of deburr verb (deburrs, deburring, deburred) neaten and smooth the rough edges or ridges of (an object, typically one made of metal): (as noun deburring)

Right..call me a sad .... but I've googled it. The hyphen is incorrect but it appears to be spellable with either one r or two:001_smile: online oxford English: deburr (also debur) Definition of deburr verb (deburrs, deburring, deburred) neaten and smooth the rough edges or ridges of (an object, typically one made of metal): (as noun deburring)

I hate hedge cutting. Just using this thread to vent my hedge-ist feelings. Hope I haven't missed the point:001_smile: