Rupe

There is little "Law" i,e, youcant call the police! Its upto each local authority how the carry out the planning procedures for their area and even though there may be national guildelines it does differ from area to area. In answer to your questions, 1a Correct b Correct c.... not correct. The HSE might have something to say about poor heath and safety working but that has no relavence to weather the work can be carried out or not. d.....not really, if you land is not woodland then its ok to remove what you want (except for a and b above) 2. dont know, but doesnt matter, 1a and 1b is all that matter. 3. Nope, you can do it yourself or get your mates to help. 4. With regard to breaching 1a and 1b the responsibilty is (I believe 66.6% the contractor and the rest the homewoner but if the contractor is not a proffessional (as in 3. above) then the responsibilty would lie with the homeowner. Footnote: There is no such thing as a "licensed" proffessional, it woudl be nice if only qualified people were doing tree work but that is not the case!

Thats better, the re growth will all start at the same time so will be more uniform in length, plus your leaving some branch so re-climbing in the future is going to be possible. Have you asked the client if you can come back and tidy them? Id be interested to know what they say, they might like them how they are, in which case dont worry about it.

If you burn it (for money) then its YOUR comercial waste, if you leave it cos its not what you are gettign paid for then they can burn it as their own, grey area but not your problem.

Burning commercial waste is illegal, and farmers arnt allowed to burn any waste anymore. Can they burn it after you have gone? Save them even more money and then not your problem. Also, if its on farmland then why is access difficult? Quad bike and chipper should get anywhere. Chipping is generally cheaper than anything cos its so efficient, thats why we have them. I have customers ask if they can save by not having the stuff chipped and often I say that will cost more if we have to carry the stuff further to get it out of our work area. Of course if just bosh the stuff into a heap then it can be cheaper but not always possible.

Its quite possible they were given better advice and that would have lead to a better outcome but at a higher price. If he had to rush to get the job done then he has deffo gone in cheap and the customer thought they were onto a winner! Everyone agrees they look crap!

Thats a grappy dappy or some other silly name, great idea, though, allow you to install a throw line in an adjacent tree, level or higher than where you are and retrieve the line back to you. Sorry, MOG, you can explain, but time difference and all that your probably sleeping!!

One question to the OP. have you got spikes on??

Feel free to ask me anything. Pm would be best.

I am worried about how quickly you came up with that, is your hardrive full of stuff like that? My comment was more aimed at born2trot for being gay and calling someone talented when there really was no reason! In a humorous way of course. But now its all gone gay! Back to the beer tomorrow!

Take that with some humor aswell please! Not very good at adding smiley faces!!

No, I thought it was unproffessional and talentless! The proffesionalism came from taking the advice without offence, and asking for it in the first place.

Good attitude! The thing about savign them more in the future is that you could actually charge them more now for saving them later, if that makes sense, but it takes some good verbal skills. So say they have had a quote to do what you did for 500, then I come along and explain the future better to them and they accept my quote for 600 for a job that is going to save them money in the long term, and leave them with prettier trees in the meantime. of course its rareley that simple!!!!

At one station I go to they turn the pump off if the car door is open, so if you have a can in the boot, take it out and put it on the floor but leave the boot (estate car) door open they turn the pump off and shout over the tannoy! Never seen/heard that done at any other garage though. Apparantly, you get back in the car, light a fag and blow up! The fact that its a works vehicle and smoking would be illegal (yes actually ILLEGAL) doesnt matter.

I've had nothing, hence bored and on AT too much !

Legal? What do you mean? Do you mean will the police mind? It sup toi them what they want to tell you can or cant do, tomorrow if they tell you its pink buckets only then its pink buckets only. They were bieng idiots, there are guidlines that say "suitable container" but its up to them what they deem suitable. MAybe they had an incident in a filling staion with an innaprpriate container and a memo has been passed round to be strict about this or lose your job, so he was doing what he was told. I fill up 20L jerry cans and have never had a problem, I know they are suitable containers but sounds like BP wouldnt agree. Maybe its different in London too? We can get red diesel in some pumps as well!!

Visors are for chipping!! And groundwork. Never used them in a tree, I went from earmuffs to petzle helmet and glasses (in 1996) in one move and passed by all this chainsaw helmet/visor nonsense!! Glasses everytime, just find some good ones that dont steam up, they do exist, bolle do some that are as cool as your oakleys but cost £7.5 and dont have oakley on them!!

Why, if you kill them then problem solved!

If you got paid and they are happy then you will get asked back to do it again quite soon, especially taking the remaining growth of, cos it will be in the next county by next week, so I wouldnt go back for nothing, unless you think they are not happy and just paid you because they felt they had to. I am not one of those that tuts and says you shouldnt have done it, but you asked and we said! Very brave to post the pics in the first place!!!!!!!!

Thats about right!

Thats what I was getting at! If they wanted more light, better view etc, then something could be done but you would have to take into account the veiw of the trees now is worse than the veiw it might open up (if that makes sense) so a different spec would still be needed. In the first pic it looks as though the ones on the very left hand side have been treat in a similar way in the not so distant past, They would have made a good example of why not to do the work. How safe do you think those trees are now, and how safe do you think they would be to work on now? My point about pollarding was if its going to be done it should be lower so future work is safer (and cheaper too) and redcution could have been achieved in a much better way.

What was unsafe with them to start with? There future is going to be way unsafer than it was before you got up them, but if the customer doesnt mind repeat work/cost then no worries. I might have left them as is if its just a safety issue though.

Where are thse tree that you can climb the tree and not the rope? Every tree is more than 30 to access apart from little ones that dont need any fancy gear anyway. Its very rare that I do a tree that is like a climbing frame/ladder. If I was then WR would make more sense, less slack to pull through, but for actual full size trees I'm struggling, and small stuff I dont need it, so still struggling with the concept. Not finished trying it yet though!

Not necessarily remove them, and you cant make folk do what they dont want anyway. But you need to discuss with them if possible pros and cons. Then decide on pollarding OR redcution. What you have done is neither one nor the other. Reduction would be way less off and plenty of growth left so they carry on growing, pollarding would ideally have left the trees with no growth and would be better to have less pollard points awswell and maybe a bit lower so future work is easier/cheaper. I think I would have done more off the pops, so just a single stem pollard maybe and less off the Ash, but I wasnt there so cant say. Problem is, all that growth left on will grow at 100mph and the pollard points will be left behind, it will look a mess quite soon. Most important thing is are the customers happy? Have you been paid?

So who came up with the spec? And waht advice about the future of these trees was given? Including the future costs that this work is going to create? Its too short sighted to do what the customer wants, unless all avenues have been discussed, and if they still want crap trees that cost a fortune in the future then fair enough le tthem have it, planning restrictions aside of course.

If that was the job spec you were given then you have done it perfectly. Whoever wrote the job spec should be sacked! If it was the customers request then a better tree surgoen/sales manager would have changed thier minds, but some poeple can tbe changed so you have to do waht they say. Tree work wise its crap though, look unfinished to me.