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Marlow Gecko would be good. it comes in 37m lenghts. Cut 12m off and cut 4m off that for a lanyard. Leaves you with 25m rope, 4m lanyard and 6m spare. Sorted.

Not at all!! If I took on a 30 year old newbie I would pay him more than an 18 yr old newbie regardless of experience!! Basic PPE is all thats needed. My first employment I was given a harness, a length of rope and a chainsaw. It was up to us if we wanted karabiners we had to buy them! I'm not saying it should be like that now, but you can't give them everything. And holiday pay does not have to be 24 days on top of normal pay. You spread there normal pay out over 52 weeks so they get a consistent income. i.e. 70 a day worked is paid as 60 a day including holidays! (roughly) Then you only need to pay enough to keep them from going elsewhere! Its an employers market at the moment, its competition just like quoting for work. What can you provide for the money. 60 a day learning new stuff all the time is better than 80 a day in a dead end job learning nothing job! Its nothing to do with good bloke bad bloke, its to do with good employer bad employer! Create a package that is mutually beneficial and go from there.

If its only 25m then your not going to be throwing it very far! The yale will fit in a tiny bag for a spare rope, but if its for your main climbing line then, at that length, any old rubbish will do. Maybe wait till you nick a decent length rope and end up with only 20 odd meters of useable rope and use that?? Is it for conifers or what?

I can't think of anything worse than standing round watching someone else do tree work and then talking about it for hours!!

I think this idea is not so good. The groundie has to let the rope out AND keep it taught to make it work. Thats not easy! I know we are only talking small loads, small enough that you could actually just chuck them, so lowering isn't that necessary. Wouldn't it be easier to tie the lowerign rope off instead of installing a lowering pulley, and then clip the load directly onto the line (with a pulley if you want) groundie then only has to keep the line tight enough and it will come his way, slacken it at the right time and its hits the ground. So, basically it is then a simple speedline. The forces involved are no different to stevies idea and so we are still talking micro loads that can be manged without any friction tensioning device.

But by guessing, not asking what the other quotes were!!!

10 less than any other quote she gets!

Morning!!!

Diplodocus?

You could clip the splice directly to the hitch climber, and then the load clips onto one of the other holes on the HC. Beware of the additional side loading on you rigging point, trees aren't strong that way! But small loads it look ok.

Wow Dave, thats an exciting night in you've got yourself there!!

I could have a rant but thats not like me.....

£60 a day!! Full time? No way. Does he live at home and need picking up every day or is he a bit more advanced than that? I would pay more for someone whos moved out of home cos they have greater commitments to meet and it suggests greater responsibility. As an employer you don't need to provide PPE, BUT you have to ensure he has it and uses it!!! Now if that means you buy it or he does, thats up to you. Its proabably best you buy it if he's on minimum wage. And throw is mobile phone in the chipper if he makes/recieves a single text message except for at break times. Get it over with, he won't do it again!

13k at Full retail price, maybe, but none of us need to pay full retail if we shop around. Startign at 9K does not leave much room for profit margin etc. Something fishy!! What tree business holds stocks of spares like that. Fountains maybe??

That was my thoughts in the first place, but the thread has raised issues relating to all wood by products not just milled wood. ANd there is no clear answer, and I doubt the law would be clear either.

Ah, the old days of busting your ring at Julian Clary's house. Happy times!!!

What and they actually did it.....!!?? I put on the quote "no splitting" then if they want it split, my splitter and operator is £60/hr another day, but the original bill has to settled on completion of the original work as quoted and we are booked up for 2 months but can fit in the splitting then if they want.

Andy C is right that you should charge extra for the removal, but that is where the problem can lie, in that the customer would then expect a discount if they keep the wood. Lets assume its logs not milled wood to keep it simple. Cut down tree and remove brash 300 remove larger wood also 100. Total job price 400. customer accepts and off you go. Now you workign away, and you know there is 2-300 quids of logs from this job (once seasoned, split and delivered) and the customers asks to keep it and expects 100 knocked off the bill. If you are there with two trucks ready to take it all, and you are expectign the additional proffit at a later date then it is a difficult situation, but if you knew before hand you could have changed your plans, made it a half day job and booked something else in. You have to explain to the customer that if the wood was rubbish that you would be charging 200 for the removal of it, but you discounted that to 100 cos you can sell the wood to make up the difference. Therefore you offer to split the difference and charge them an extra 50 to leave it behind. You get 450 and don't move any wood and they get 300 quids worth of wood for 150 but they have to split it. Never works! When you say you are planning on sellign it, you can see them think that they should be getting some of the money. I explain that they are already getting it in the form of the discount for removal, but if they want the full money for it then pay mne the extra 50 and sell it themselves. They rarely go fo it. Customers who are definalty keeping the wood right from the start get a cheaper quote cos we save so much time on those jobs, but discounting the actual work to get the wood is not a great move IMO.

If they got other quotes and you were the cheapest then that will help you explain why you need to keep the timber.

It might be an idea to tell them that you plan to mill it while on their property, I agree with the above that they would have to buy it off you but in theory they could then charge you rent for the time you spent on their property carrying out the milling which was not part of the quote so therefore you have done that for someone else. Its a simpler question if its firewood. When you cut up firewood to remove it and then they want to keep it, you then say that you calculated the profit from the wood into the quote and so they would have to pay you a bit extra for it. For milled timba its the same idea, but, like I say, it would be good to ask them first!

No ones ever assumed you are serious yet!

So, how much was the new Ad?

I think what he's also asking is how do you set out the information? Not just work out the price. But your right, you have to learn that yourself, or just do it in the way you've been asked fo reach tender. They are all different. Personally I do rolly pollys in the garden, spin on my head, try and pin the tail on a donkey, think of a number multiply by 10 divide by 2 and add a zero on the end. Put it in the post and go to the pub. I get 50% of the contracts I go for. Happy days!

When beign sarcastic, there is no need to add the "only kidding bit" No one else does. Sarcasm is an art that shouldn't be explained or apologised for.

What have you been asked to provide? Generally for tendering its part of the contract to submit certain information, so that is what you do. You should have a set of requirements for the contract. If they want a lump sum, give that. If they want per tree/size/task, then give them that. How you set it out is up to you, how do you want to portray your business?. Scribble in crayons probably won't work! No ones going to tell you how to do it, you learn that from all the ones you don't get.