Andy Collins

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Hi Keith welcome to the forum

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Nice post Tommer, makes perfect sense. What I'm hoping for here is to show to those who dont know/arent sure what is needed for your Loler inspection, who to go to and why. And why you shouldnt go to the local Lifting Gear Shop where the guys dont have a real understanding or qualifications. I'm sure the 2 or 3 examples highlighted earlier are in the minority, but as far as this form of media goes I think we have a duty to ensure all are educated in these matters. No-one wants to sit and wade through boring literature on the matter, but will happily read through these threads to glean info.

Does seem to be a few irregularities out there, doesnt there? So do you trust a spotty teenager checking your gear over a time-served industrial inspector with a wealth of experience and knowledge? Oh thats stupid, the 19yo has the right bit of paper.

Lovely set there Butler

So what is the point of the certificate, and how does someone find ut if the general criteria are met?

Yet as a following post showed its happened at least once, and in the other thread Nick Potts mentioned another example, and outside of the forum the question arose to me, hence this thread. Stupid? maybe not, misinformed definitely. So I feel that maybe a better education to everyone is needed, and it appears that applies to large cmpanies as well as small.

So (hypothetically) if I go into a Ropes & Lifting Gear Specialists shop, ask "Can you Loler my rigging kit" he shows me a cert for Loler inspector, yet he is not deemed competent or qualified in our field. Yet he is deemed qualified and competent for the rest of the Lifting etc industry? Now lets say he's had a quiet week, is maybe a little on the dodgy side and holds back a little with the full truth, yes he is qualified so he wouldnt have an issue dishing out a ticket, after all its only good for the time of the inspection, and you're going to keep an eye on your kit in your daily inspections anyway.

This came up in a different thread but rather de-rail I'll start here. It was mentioned that some are taking their kits to non-arb inspectors for Loler checks. Now I was wondering, if they are deemed suitable to test inspect lifting gear worthy of 100's of tonnes in other industries, why are they not suitable to inspect a piddly bit of rope? The reason for my asking is not that I personally have done this, but someone I know put it to me and I didnt have a definitive answer. Surely a Loler inspector is just that, trained to know what defects to look for in any aspect of Lifting, lowering etc. Are we not being maybe a little bit precious about our own tiny little niche market? I expect to be shot down, pilloried, lambasted and even shot at dawn for this outrageous query. Make it a clean kill.

Not too bad, faffed about most of the morning, walked the dog around the village. This afternoon visited my 96yr old Grandma in hospital, well on the mend after suffering a nasty viral infection. Well enough in fact to complain about the food, lack of visits, the fact that we are sorting 3 carers a day to visit when she goes home and everything else she can think of. Tough old bird, thinking she's going to make the century the way she's going.

Yes, that is the usual protocol. We havent had to ban many here, usually a word in the ear is sufficient. That step has already been used in one instance, but it does seem apparent that some have short memories, or may have forgotten the rules. So I've taken this step as a polite reminder to those concerned. Hopefully this will be enough and the good ship Arbtalk will sail off into the sunset with no further action necessary.

Question? Do you recall if it literally snapped straight away, or diid the strands gradually fail? Given the piece of equipment, perhaps you trusted it and didnt check it as carefully as maybe a lifeline or crab?

Every now and then the ugly side of being a moderator rears its head. In this instance Flaming or online bullying is in my sights. Under Forum rules (4) this will not be tolerated by us. Just to clarify: 4. No attacks, insults, or flames** - be it on someone's person, religious beliefs, race, national background, sexual orientation, or whatever. This is VERY important. If you have a problem with somebody, do not flame them on our website. Take it somewhere else. No flaming of ANY kind is welcome here. The quickest way to get banned from our website is to break this rule. This includes public posts, group posts, private messages or contact methods supplied by the member of this site. ** On the Internet, flaming is giving someone a verbal lashing in public. Often this is on a Usenet newsgroup but it could be on a Web forum or perhaps even as e-mail with copies to a distribution list. Unless in response to some rather obvious flamebait, flaming is poor netiquette. Certain issues tend to provoke emphatically stated responses, but flaming is often directed at a self-appointed expert rather than at the issues or information itself and is sometimes directed at unwitting but opinionated newbies who appear in a newsgroup. I hope this is clear to one and all, and we will act quickly and decisively on any perpetrators. This site is meant to be professional, yet fun to participate in. You may find it funny to post an avatar, a snipe or dig at someone, but if the butt of your "humour" doesnt share the joke, it can be quite upsetting. So to those, and they know what they are doing, concerned, I suggest strongly that you stop. If not you will no longer be involved with Arbtalk.

Those were fun, pleasant memories, reminding you of fun times. This mornings list of chores by comparison are not fun, so why would your brain want to remember them? When I work with my colleague on his jobs, I cant remember any detail about them, yet I remember vividly each and every part of my jobs, yet my role in either his work or my work is probably identical. I dont need to remember his stuff, so my brain files it in the recycle bin. Well thats how I see it anyway. As we get older, a lot more stuff goes to recycle, to make room for more new info.

Well, its certainly rusty, has it been exposed at any time to salt water, or chemicals of some sort. I have one of those wire-cores, I'll see if I can see beneath the cover any where. Couple of mins later..... Just had a look, cant see through the cover anywhere, but the ends still got that galvanised look about them.

The only way I can see one of these failing in such a way is abnormal loading/forces? Has it been used for something its not designed for?

Hey Stevie, its not been a waste, your life has done you well, you've still achieved just in a different direction than you would have expected. Now I did throw a good education away at the time, top sets for just about everything, then I got bored and messed about. I simply couldnt be bothered No excuse, no reasons, no hang-ups, I wasted my school time. Perhaps a better education would have served me better, I'll never know. What I do know is that those of my era went on to Uni, got degrees, and went nowhere, dead end jobs or long term unemployed. So I guess I didnt do so bad after all, but it probably made my working life more menial for a good few years, I may have achieved things a little earlier, but you know what, I'm happier now at this stage of my life than I've ever been, probably because I appreciate it more. Dont look back and be resentful, if you want to change anything, you still can, evening classes and distance learning, move onwards and upwards, the past has gone.

Probably totally wrong though

I see the pregnancy as the start of the breakdown of the control/coping systems you'd previously set yourself. This causes a mental "turmoil" maybe subconsciously. All the things that seemed Really Important have now had to be re-categorised to Slightly Less Important, with the welfare of wife and baby taking priority. Nothing prepares any of us for this great event, no amount of reading, no hormones changing in our bodies. We've done our bit, its now down to the good lady. We are now totally out of our comfort zone, unchartered territory. At the birth we males have a very minor "supporting" role, however we try to dress it up, the lady does all the work, we are powerless. This alters the dynamics of the relationship, and plots a whole new course for the rest of our lives. So I wouldnt be surprised if it was to be the trigger for your issues.

I see the pregnancy as the start of the breakdown of the control/coping systems you'd previously set yourself. This causes a mental "turmoil" maybe subconsciously. All the things that seemed Really Important have now had to be re-categorised to Slightly Less Important, with the welfare of wife and baby taking priority. Nothing prepares any of us for this great event, no amount of reading, no hormones changing in our bodies. We've done our bit, its now down to the good lady. We are now totally out of our comfort zone, unchartered territory. At the birth we males have a very minor "supporting" role, however we try to dress it up, the lady does all the work, we are powerless. This alters the dynamics of the relationship, and plots a whole new course for the rest of our lives. So I wouldnt be surprised if it was to be the trigger for your issues.

Dont know much about anything, but I wonder if the stress(?) from your finding out your wifes pregnancy flipped a switch in your head. The excitement, anxiety, leaping into the unchartered territory for you can trigger hidden issues. As I said, I dont know anything, but would perhaps a course of hynotherapy help you? I think you may have developed a coping mechanism, which puts certain things away in those boxes in the "loft" of your brain.

Loving the bear spikes:thumbup1:

We sold at 55/ton rideside, mixed hardwoods in 8foots. If you take in the costing of manual felling, harvester, forwarder etc I cant see how it can be much cheaper.

Just grow a set of proper legs