DdRT Injuries

[Arctostaphylos uva-ursi]

The false notion that a base tied SRT system's upper redirect point requires no more structural strength than a DDRT TIP does!

 

Eh....? Are you reading the same thread as me? I don't recall anyone saying or even implying that.

[James Atkinson]

I'm not sure what I have got myself into here 😂 of corse there is forced to consider, but in the real world in real situations a climber will know what is to weak to take his weight (let's put this as simply as possible without getting into %) if double rope was better I wouldn't have a "beef"

or if a new system comes out that is even easier than srt, I wouldn't care, if it makes life easier and faster I shall get it. It is a sad state of affairs when we are getting mentally attached to how we use ropes to climb a tree.

[jomoco]

Anyone promoting replacing one climbing system with a new system, has an obligation to clearly point out the new system's limits and dangers, period, IMO.

 

Yes SRT's great, fantastic, revolutionary!

 

But it has inherent limits n dangers as well.

 

Listing all the numerous advantages of SRT without any mention of it's drawbacks whatsoever's rather dangerous and unprofessional IMO.

 

Jomoco

[Arctostaphylos uva-ursi]

Whoop whoop dats da sound of de police!

[Rich Rule]

... Don't think anyone has snapped out there too anchor that I know of, but I'm probably wrong haha

 

Me, twice.

[jomoco]

Don't think for a second I didn't watch brother Reg's vid with an eagle eye mates!

 

I kept waiting, and waiting for a mention of doubled forces being exerted on the upper redirect of a base tied SRT system. Not a whisper.

 

The issue I'm on about may be the very crux of so many old schoolers' reticence in allowing SRT's usage on their turf?

 

Mechanical advantage applies whether you're aware of it or not.

 

Jomoco

[stihlmadasever]

Another thread off in a tangent,not unusual for arbtalkers eh.

Back to the original point that Reg made was,how switching to SRT has prevented injuries and prolonged his career.I not an SRT climber im still dickin about with DDRT but i can sympathise with Reg in a lot of ways as im no spring chicken and hip thrusting on a prussik is un ergonomical at best.

My point is the arb world is advancing quick,new ascenders,better climbing systems and mechanical devices that make our life easier getting into and working the tree.There seems to be a lot of suspicion in new methods and technology from a core of climbers who eye any mechanical device as "soft" or "poofy" which is a mindset we have to get away from.Whether its ddrt or srt i think the emphasis has to be on making it easier on the body therefore prolonging a climbers career.

This can only be achieved through education at the training stage and until youngsters coming through are educated about mechanical devices,SRT and such like we will continue to see young climbers having the same injuries as the older gentlemen amongst us.

Just my tuppence worth

[jomoco]

This Jepson bloke, gets straight to the heart SRT's frailties, right off the bat, straight up.

 

http://allabouttrees.com/wp-content/uploads/guides/climber/Single_Rope_Technique_SRT.pdf

 

Jomoco

[MattyF]

Jomoco, I don't think not one person had so far stated that your not doubling the force with a basal tie in ,you can though make sure that with a base tie the rope is running through a few larger forks so if the top point does break your not going to take a full on fall which is something you can't do with ddrt.

[jomoco]

Anyone claiming I've derailed this thread off topic's ignoring the fact that Reg is more or less scolding commercial manufacturers and industry associations for impeding wholesale adoption of SRT systems, without even mentioning it's frailties n drawbacks.

 

A rather lopsided approach to promoting SRT from an objective point of view.

 

Reg'll forgive me someday I'm sure!

 

Jomoco