Making the news today....

[skyhuck]

1 hour ago, eggsarascal said:

It seems many monuments are being removed in the USA, mainly overnight with contractors being guarded by the police.

 

People are getting sick of the far right.

 

I don't think matewithhimself realises what damage the likes of him are doing.

 

I'm pretty sure he doesn't care.

[Vespasian]

1 hour ago, eggsarascal said:

It seems many monuments are being removed in the USA, mainly overnight with contractors being guarded by the police.

 

People are getting sick of the far right.

 

I don't think matewithhimself realises what damage the likes of him are doing.

 

I'll hazard a guess the fear isn't the far right but the antics of the far left.. its those who seem intent on provoking the right by the removal of historical monuments..

 

 

[matelot]

1 hour ago, eggsarascal said:

It seems many monuments are being removed in the USA, mainly overnight with contractors being guarded by the police.

 

People are getting sick of the far right.

 

 

The thing is people have legitimate concerns then people like you shout them down by calling them "Nazi", "racist" or "far right".

 

You really think people shouldn't be concerned when century old statues are torn down? Is following the example of Islamic State and the Taliban really something you're happy with?Maybe I should go to your village and tear down your local war memorial? After all the only purpose of it is to celebrate killing Germans?

 

How about the Coliseum in Rome? It was built with slave labour and tens of thousands of slaves and Christians were killed there. Using your logic we should tear it down as it celebrates slavery.

 

Tbh, the only good thing from this whole sorry mess is that people can see how much the media lies to them. It's obvious that both sides at Charleston are violent. Yet the BBC and assorted world leaders criticise Trump for saying it.

 

[matelot]

53 minutes ago, skyhuck said:

I'm pretty sure he doesn't care.

I think most of us here want to build a better society. We differ as to the best way to do it.

 

Obviously you and others thinking tearing down statues is the way to go. However that reminds me a little too much of book burning.

[Mick Dempsey]

5 hours ago, Vespasian said:

 

I doubt anyone on the Confederate side went to war over slavery. They fought over states rights...

 

 

 

Yes, to own slaves! That's what It says in the declaration of secession. 

[matelot]

ehhhmmm, I don't know what to say...

 

 

[Vespasian]

29 minutes ago, Mick Dempsey said:

Yes, to own slaves! That's what It says in the declaration of secession. 

But, considering 95% of the Souths population  didn't own slaves, why would they fight to defend slave owners?..

Because the population believed it was for them to say when slavery should be abolished..

or put another way, it was their right to say what laws they had, and not for the someone else to supplant their right to enact legislation..

 

its like these protesters from the alt right, they have a right to protest, and they have a right to be protected when they do protest.. But what the alt left fails to get is that right is protected in the constitution..  The alt left are the real villains in that regards..

 

 

We voted for Brexit partly on account of the same thing did we not?..  we want to have our own laws set by our own legislators..

[eggsarascal]

If you attend protests called 'unite the right' carrying Nazi flags and give Nazi salutes I think you can be classed as a Nazi.

 

The diffence between me and you, matelot is I don't try to defend the far left, while you do try to defend the far right.

 

anyone who can't see what you are would have to be blind.

Edited August 17, 2017 by eggsarascal

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

1 minute ago, eggsarascal said:

If you attend protests called 'unite rhe right' carrying Nazi flags and give Nazi salutes I think you can be classed as a Nazi.

You're appearing to conjoin attending the rally with carrying the flag there Mr E.  What if you attended the rally, a perfectly lawful and reasonable right, but didn't carry the flag.

 

(applies equally to all sectors of the political spectrum attending a lawful rally)

 

If a person attended a "Free Palestine" rally would that make them Hezbollah?

[eggsarascal]

1 minute ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

You're appearing to conjoin attending the rally with carrying the flag there Mr E.  What if you attended the rally, a perfectly lawful and reasonable right, but didn't carry the flag.

 

(applies equally to all sectors of the political spectrum attending a lawful rally)

 

If a person attended a "Free Palestine" rally would that make them Hezbollah?

I'm not conjoining the two. I have no problem with lawful protesting....... I've done a bit over the years.....

 

I just can't see how anyone can defend what went on in Charlottesville by suggesting that the car used as a deadly weapon was someone panicked trying to get out of the situation.

 

In short, if they carry Natzi flags, chant Nazi slogans they can be classed as fascist, Nazi b@stards.

 

I'd like to think that you know I would, and do feel the same about the idiots that turned up at that rally armed with bats and iron bars.