Making the news today....

[Steve Bullman]

All kicking off in Iran, watch on x while you still can 

[Mark J]

10 hours ago, Johnsond said:

I rest my case Mark. Leftard arrogance from yourself as usual brought on by a huge dose of TDS. 
Reality is I’m not overly fussed about her death, whilst it’s a shame some kids have lost their biological mother, life goes on. That’s not being callous it’s just the reality of things. 

Nothing to do with arrogance. I genuinely don't understand the sentence with emojis that you wrote, so I asked you to write it in English.

 

Nothing to do with your Trump Dicksucking Syndrome. 

[Johnsond]

33 minutes ago, Mark J said:

Nothing to do with arrogance. I genuinely don't understand the sentence with emojis that you wrote, so I asked you to write it in English.

 

Nothing to do with your Trump Dicksucking Syndrome. 

 Early start with the leftard prick quest today lad especially for you. If you genuinely can’t grasp what’s written there regardless of any grammatical errors then that’s most definitely not a good sign or indication of your cognitive functioning on a Friday night. 
There’s a few on here obsessed with Trump lad, you being one of the worst, like I say in your eyes if you are not a hater then you must support him, I’m indifferent in many respects as it’s not our country and I can’t vote there so out of my hands. Anyway have a read of the article below, maybe grab a cup of tea and get some fresh air, walk off the “ I can take it or leave it” Friday night excess. 

 

 

“Nuance is gone.”

We’ve reached a point where people are openly proud that complexity doesn’t matter anymore. Where the immediate reflex is “pick your team and attack.”

I’ve been watching this Renee Good situation unfold, and it’s textbook “politically homeless” territory.

ICE officers approach a car. There’s a confrontation. Renee Good, the driver, ends up dead. And before any investigation completes, before anyone knows what actually happened - both sides have already decided who’s guilty.

One side screams “murderer.”
The other screams “justified.”

And anyone saying “maybe we should wait for facts” gets attacked by both.

This is the same shit I see every day doing crisis work.

Border Patrol and federal agents I’ve worked with in Mexico - good people trying to do impossible jobs under impossible conditions.

Afghan refugees I’ve helped across borders because the legal system was letting them die.

Both of those things can be true at the same time.

You can believe immigration enforcement is necessary AND believe the system is broken.

You can believe law enforcement does critical work AND believe some officers abuse power.

You can recognize that tense situations lead to split-second decisions AND still demand transparency when those decisions end in death.

But we don’t allow for that anymore.

We’ve built a system where you have to choose: Back the blue no matter what, or all cops are bastards. Support border security completely, or you’re a fascist. Question any immigration enforcement, or you want open borders.

The truth is usually somewhere in the messy middle.

I’ve worked with CBP agents who later saved my ass getting Arezo into the country legally. Same trip, I watched other officials treat desperate families like animals.

I’ve seen Memphis cops show up at 3am to help get a trafficking victim to safety. I’ve also been manhandled by MPD while handcuffed.

Real life is complicated.

But “Nuance is gone” gets celebrated because nuance doesn’t drive engagement. Outrage does. Division does. Tribal loyalty does.

The system profits when you pick a side and stop thinking.

I’m not saying don’t have opinions. I’m saying maybe we should stop treating every incident like a political purity test where you have to defend “your team” no matter what the facts show.

Maybe an ICE officer made a terrible decision.
Maybe Renee Good made terrible decisions.
Maybe they both did.
Maybe neither did, and this was just tragedy.

We don’t know yet.

And the fact that saying “we don’t know yet” makes people angry? That’s the whole ****************ing problem.

I don’t care if you’re pro-cop or anti-cop, pro-ICE or anti-ICE.

I care if you’re willing to let facts matter more than team loyalty.

Because the streets don’t ask how you vote before consequences hit.

And if we keep letting ideology override reality, we’re not solving anything - we’re just yelling “it’s YOUR turn to get more water” at each other while the house burns down around us.

[Mark J]

25 minutes ago, Johnsond said:

 Early start with the leftard prick quest today lad especially for you. If you genuinely can’t grasp what’s written there regardless of any grammatical errors then that’s most definitely not a good sign or indication of your cognitive functioning on a Friday night. 
There’s a few on here obsessed with Trump lad, you being one of the worst, like I say in your eyes if you are not a hater then you must support him, I’m indifferent in many respects as it’s not our country and I can’t vote there so out of my hands. Anyway have a read of the article below, maybe grab a cup of tea and get some fresh air, walk off the “ I can take it or leave it” Friday night excess. 

 

 

“Nuance is gone.”

We’ve reached a point where people are openly proud that complexity doesn’t matter anymore. Where the immediate reflex is “pick your team and attack.”

I’ve been watching this Renee Good situation unfold, and it’s textbook “politically homeless” territory.

ICE officers approach a car. There’s a confrontation. Renee Good, the driver, ends up dead. And before any investigation completes, before anyone knows what actually happened - both sides have already decided who’s guilty.

One side screams “murderer.”
The other screams “justified.”

And anyone saying “maybe we should wait for facts” gets attacked by both.

This is the same shit I see every day doing crisis work.

Border Patrol and federal agents I’ve worked with in Mexico - good people trying to do impossible jobs under impossible conditions.

Afghan refugees I’ve helped across borders because the legal system was letting them die.

Both of those things can be true at the same time.

You can believe immigration enforcement is necessary AND believe the system is broken.

You can believe law enforcement does critical work AND believe some officers abuse power.

You can recognize that tense situations lead to split-second decisions AND still demand transparency when those decisions end in death.

But we don’t allow for that anymore.

We’ve built a system where you have to choose: Back the blue no matter what, or all cops are bastards. Support border security completely, or you’re a fascist. Question any immigration enforcement, or you want open borders.

The truth is usually somewhere in the messy middle.

I’ve worked with CBP agents who later saved my ass getting Arezo into the country legally. Same trip, I watched other officials treat desperate families like animals.

I’ve seen Memphis cops show up at 3am to help get a trafficking victim to safety. I’ve also been manhandled by MPD while handcuffed.

Real life is complicated.

But “Nuance is gone” gets celebrated because nuance doesn’t drive engagement. Outrage does. Division does. Tribal loyalty does.

The system profits when you pick a side and stop thinking.

I’m not saying don’t have opinions. I’m saying maybe we should stop treating every incident like a political purity test where you have to defend “your team” no matter what the facts show.

Maybe an ICE officer made a terrible decision.
Maybe Renee Good made terrible decisions.
Maybe they both did.
Maybe neither did, and this was just tragedy.

We don’t know yet.

And the fact that saying “we don’t know yet” makes people angry? That’s the whole ****************ing problem.

I don’t care if you’re pro-cop or anti-cop, pro-ICE or anti-ICE.

I care if you’re willing to let facts matter more than team loyalty.

Because the streets don’t ask how you vote before consequences hit.

And if we keep letting ideology override reality, we’re not solving anything - we’re just yelling “it’s YOUR turn to get more water” at each other while the house burns down around us.

That has to by the most hypocritical thing you've posted. You and nuance don't fit in the same book. 

[Johnsond]

31 minutes ago, Mark J said:

That has to by the most hypocritical thing you've posted. You and nuance don't fit in the same book. 

Play the ball not the player lad, I get the feeling you ain’t on good form this morning Mark 🤔🤔sore head and angry with life perhaps 😞

Right lad slate hearth to fit for the new Morso and some climate change snow to clear so you will have to wait. Try fresh air and water 👍👍or I always found a good sniff of pure 02 or a dive sorted the head, higher PP02 definitely the ticket. 

[Steven P]

37 minutes ago, Johnsond said:

I get the feeling you ain’t on good form this morning Mark 🤔🤔sore head and angry with life perhaps 😞

 

Tosser.

 

You appear to be even more argumentative this week, more insulting to all, more rightarded that usual. Wonder if the problem is Mrs J isn't giving enough action for your liking over the Christmas period? Perhaps take yourself off for some quality 'thinking time' mighty calm you down?

Edited January 10 by Steven P

[tree-fancier123]

11 minutes ago, Steven P said:

 

Tosser.

hey come on now, I realise you get a great feeling of camaraderie from being on Mark J's side and ganging up against the monster, but single word insults like 'Tosser' are not the way to discuss current affairs.

If you feel that Johnsond has become offensive, then just write about a news item that interests you - don't lower yourself even lower than he is.

 

Now this is honest thinking

Trump says US needs to 'own' Greenland to prevent Russia and China from taking it

if Trump can say openly he is scared of China and Russia (who are also monsters) just how much of an arms race can the taxpayer bear? The US needs to own America to prevent China from taking it - hence the tariffs. It's a complex world - Trump is bound to make mistakes. No nukes have gone off yet, so all good

 

 

[Steven P]

This is true, I don't usually, insults and going after the person being the lowest form of internet discussions (slightly above discussing Hitler in what kills a thread). Though in this case it is not 'sides' - Mark has said before he had an issue with drink, JohnsonD is 'weaponising' that to attack him... which I don't think is acceptable - I'd do the same if he was attacking you or any others for personal issues - fair and even.

[Steven P]

Anyway, Greenland (I suspect that the shooting in the US has run it's course here now, ICE officer screwed up, woman killed, he will get told off but that will be the end of it).

 

China taking Greenland? That is a bit of a stretch of the imagination. Russia taking it... again a bit of a stretch considering it is protected by NATO and Putin not likely to go up against us directly.

 

There was a report that suggested Trump was willing to walk away from NATO to take Greenland - which would weaken NATO, and weirdly make the US more vulnerable to Russian attacks via Greenland.

 

 

More likely that he has been listening to Sinatra, a realisation of his own mortality and wanting to do things "My Way"... leaving a legacy so his name lives on - taking Venezuela, the brief renaming of the Kennedy Centre - and so on strikes me as a vain man wanting to leave a legacy without realising just taking what you want or naming something isn't the way to do it.

[Mesterh]

11 hours ago, Johnsond said:

Not really 

How so?