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[sime42]

9 minutes ago, tree-fancier123 said:

 

just because China aren't as bad as US or Canada per capita, doesn't mean they are in the clear, rather being responsible for 35% of world CO2 emissions, but only 17% of world's population means China are still world climate enemy number 1. All the coal they still burn - absolutely atrocious. 

 

I agree. I didn't say that China is in the clear. Merely showing approval of your highlighting of the nuance in the figures that is often rabidly and dogmatically missed in these debates on here.

 

I'd contest the number one ranking on some metrics. For instance if you take into consideration their intention/trajectory of emissions or the fact that a big part of their energy consumption is to make crap that we are so desperate to buy from them. But, that's for another week. 

 

 

 

 

[tree-fancier123]

11 minutes ago, sime42 said:

the fact that a big part of their energy consumption is to make crap that we are so desperate to buy from them.

true enough - I'm quite happy for them to destroy the planet for future generations, as long as they will send me copy carburettors through my letterbox for £15, better than paying £100 from a local dealer.

[Steven P]

For their coal, it used to be used for 70% of their electrical generation, now it is 40% coal powered. That transition has taken about 15 years.

 

I reckon we can all find statistics to form an argument either way, China arn't perfect but all the numbers I see are they are moving in the right direction, very quickly too - away from coal power, installing massive amounts of renewable infrastructure (the wind farm I quoted above is actually about 4 all linked - very close together, but will dwarf any the UK can make once they get them fully connected).

 

So what to do? Do we look and point at China? "Look over there, they are bad, so we shouldn't bother" or should we be leading the way, install renewable power, be world leaders and develop the skills to be just that. Just to note that making the kit is one thing, but designing the installations - the hundred of windmills, cables and stuff, and the operation of the sites is still a skill we can go for. The UK is no longer a manufacturer of stuff, we are a service industry... designing stuff, operating stuff all via computers is what we do these days. So why not do it for the world, gain the skills here in the UK installing our own and then export the skills everywhere else.

[Johnsond]

8 hours ago, Steven P said:

Just to note that making the kit is one thing, but designing the installations - the hundred of windmills, cables and stuff, and the operation of the sites is still a skill we can go for. The UK is no longer a manufacturer of stuff, we are a service industry... designing stuff, operating stuff all via computers is what we do these days. So why not do it for the world, gain the skills here in the UK installing our own and then export the skills everywhere else.

Absolute and utter shite. Stick to nice and safe public sector office stuff SP or feel free to enlighten everyone as to where your knowledge has been gained. 🤡
Regarding your previous comment, I base my opinion and comments on a combination of real world experience and reading unlike yourself who is office bound day after day . 
Today’s view SP an offshore “wind farm “ and a nice sunrise in the Baltic. Enjoy your day in the office. 

 

 

So if you are wanting to knock a country for its commitment to renewable energy source, China is a piss poor example for you to choose. Pop off, do some reading, some education.

Edited 6 hours ago by Johnsond

[Stubby]

6 hours ago, Steven P said:

 installing massive amounts of renewable infrastructure (the wind farm I quoted above is actually about 4 all linked - very close together, but will dwarf any the UK can make once they get them fully connected).

 

 

See " Land Man " vid . 

[sime42]

7 hours ago, tree-fancier123 said:

true enough - I'm quite happy for them to destroy the planet for future generations, as long as they will send me copy carburettors through my letterbox for £15, better than paying £100 from a local dealer.

 

Another week 

 

At least China acknowledges that we have a problem, and is moving at pace towards addressing it. The US meanwhile, with Trouser Cough at the helm, doesn't even recognise that something is amiss. 

 

 

[tree-fancier123]

8 minutes ago, sime42 said:

Another week

why another week - China is polluting and spying on us this week.

 

[sime42]

42 minutes ago, tree-fancier123 said:

why another week - China is polluting and spying on us this week.

 

 

Because I said the discussion on countries's commitments to renewable energy sources was for another week, my weeks start on Monday.

 

But again, I agree. The threat posed by China on the global stage is huge, spying on us being but one small facet. We, the rest of the world, should be putting up a united front. However, Trouser Cough doesn't agree, so they are having a field day, forging ahead with their designs whilst we stand divided. Another reason we should have our own renewable energy manufacturing industry.

 

In the UK we have our priorities all screwed up. So much political resource and discussion is taken up by a few illegal immigrants that we forget to focus on the real issues. China, Russia, Iran and whatever other hostile states are out there, are a far greater threat to our national security than the <10% of our immigration total. It's weird. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[sime42]

2 hours ago, Johnsond said:

Absolute and utter shite. Stick to nice and safe public sector office stuff SP or feel free enlighten everyone as to where your knowledge has been gained. 🤡
Regarding your previous comment, I base my opinion and comments on a combination of real world experience and reading unlike yourself who is office bound day after day . 
Today’s view SP an offshore “wind farm “ and a nice sunrise in the Baltic. Enjoy your day in the office. 

 

 

So if you are wanting to knock a country for its commitment to renewable energy source, China is a piss poor example for you to choose. Pop off, do some reading, some education.

 

Have you done any reading, which example do you choose?

 

So Brazil are leading the field currently, in commitment to renewable energy sources. That was a surprise to me, probably not to you though. China ain't doing bad either, they're up there in the pelaton. We're not even on the board, the UK definitely has work to do. 

 

 

Share of electricity production from renewables

OURWORLDINDATA.ORG

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Renewables include solar, wind, hydropower, bioenergy, geothermal, wave, and tidal sources.

 

 

 

[tree-fancier123]

11 hours ago, Steven P said:

For their coal, it used to be used for 70% of their electrical generation, now it is 40% coal powered. That transition has taken about 15 years.

now it is 40% coal powered ? - too wet for hedge cutting, so I'm in fact checking mode and you are found out once more

 

In 2024, coal accounted for approximately 59% of China’s electricity generation, with wind, solar, hydro, and nuclear contributing most of the remainder.

You made it sound like coal use in China is already coming down due to renewables, it hasn't come down (there has been no transition over 15 years, as you claim. I agree with you it will happen, but coal use hasn't been reduced yet, the renewables have added to capacity, not replaced fossil fuel burning. So far China's total electricity generation has gone up, but coal hasn't come down.

unlike UK or US - China is still building more of these coal plants