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[Mark J]

43 minutes ago, Oldfeller said:

that boat sailed, and disappeared over the horizon, if only the ones arriving would do the same.

no offence personally, but I think the shit is already in mid air, it's only a matter of time before it hits the fans.

Aye, but, and I say this with respect, you are in your 70's, and the younger generation hasn't given up hope yet. 

[JLA1990]

51 minutes ago, BillQ said:

Poor analogy, physical part of anatomy is still there just like the other things mention are. We can choose to differentiate between the micro, meso, exo, macro etc systems as Bronfenbrenner has shown but it requires one to actually use a modicum of critique of information we acquire. 

Apologies - think more philosophically rather than anatomically. How can you choose to critique what you don’t believe/know? 

[Johnsond]

Been covered before but smoke and mirrors come to mind. Worth noting next time VDL is spouting her EU garbage. 

[BillQ]

9 hours ago, JLA1990 said:

Apologies - think more philosophically rather than anatomically. How can you choose to critique what you don’t believe/know? 

No requirement for an apology. 

Critical thinking can become second nature if you use it enough, but yes some things are not going to be known. Rather than choosing to accept things that we are told its better to check around for alternative viewpoints, the best recent story is the eggsarascal one, he either knew it was a lie or just took something on face value or saw something that sounded probable but didn't check the facts as it suited his view/bias. 

Lastly, bias. We all have them and part of critiquing is letting loose of biases, that's the hard thing. 

[BillQ]

10 hours ago, Johnsond said:

Are you retarded ?? 
How is that an explanation “ seriously “ 

No, however you must be if you think that's an explanation. 

[JLA1990]

54 minutes ago, BillQ said:

No requirement for an apology. 

Critical thinking can become second nature if you use it enough, but yes some things are not going to be known. Rather than choosing to accept things that we are told its better to check around for alternative viewpoints, the best recent story is the eggsarascal one, he either knew it was a lie or just took something on face value or saw something that sounded probable but didn't check the facts as it suited his view/bias. 

Lastly, bias. We all have them and part of critiquing is letting loose of biases, that's the hard thing. 

Of course I agree critical thinking is valuable, the idea that it can become “second nature” through repeated use oversimplifies the process imo. Critical thinking often requires conscious effort—we can’t always be on guard, nor can we fact-check everything we encounter. In fact, over-reliance on skepticism can lead to “paralysis by analysis,” where people distrust information to the point where it only leads them to reinforce their own view. This is how modern politics/media is triumphing over the layman….just sheer amounts of information which cannot possibly be fact checked at the time of delivery (depending on your appetite) leading people to run with their biases. We then fall fowl of a new age problem - people can no longer admit they’re wrong! 

[Steven P]

1 hour ago, BillQ said:

No requirement for an apology. 

Critical thinking can become second nature if you use it enough, but yes some things are not going to be known. Rather than choosing to accept things that we are told its better to check around for alternative viewpoints, the best recent story is the eggsarascal one, he either knew it was a lie or just took something on face value or saw something that sounded probable but didn't check the facts as it suited his view/bias. 

Lastly, bias. We all have them and part of critiquing is letting loose of biases, that's the hard thing. 

 

For Eggs there, we used to live in a world where the printed press had some truth behind it, the world changes to the internet where articles and opinion pieces are thrown out there as if they are true... and often arn't the whole truth. We've still got that mindset a little - as Eggs showed - believing the printed press as-is. Checking around is more important than ever, never trusting a single source and definitely view social media sites as an online version of "a man down the pub told me" 

[BillQ]

1 hour ago, JLA1990 said:

the idea that it can become “second nature” through repeated use oversimplifies the process imo.

Agreed, but a better way forward than not even trying, which where 

1 hour ago, JLA1990 said:

paralysis by analysis

Comes in as with the overload of information, other tools can help such Occams razor etc not exacting but useful. 

[JLA1990]

40 minutes ago, BillQ said:

Agreed, but a better way forward than not even trying, which where 

Comes in as with the overload of information, other tools can help such Occams razor etc not exacting but useful. 

Not exacting indeed especially in what seems to be an ever growing illogical world.

[Oldfeller]