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[BillQ]

35 minutes ago, Johnsond said:

Not hard to see why mothers are now taking to the streets to keep this scum away from their daughters. 

Glitter, Savile, Harris, etc etc

 

Total scapegoating 

[tree-fancier123]

1 hour ago, Mark J said:

Farage's small boats plan not about policy but putting Labour and Tories on the spot

NEWS.SKY.COM

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Nigel Farage's speech was not so much about presenting real policy proposals but about putting Labour and the Tories on the backfoot, Sam Coates writes.

 

so the 1951 refugee act means we now have an acceptance rate of 98% for Sudanese and Syrians, 87% for Eritreans. No matter how many come, they have a legal right and we have to let them stay.

I believe this illegal migration issue is so serious there should be motion of no confidence.

Callaghan 1979 and McDonald 1924 both lost.

Not likely to happen with Labour's thumping majority.

My fear is that so many foreigners settle they eventually become the majority. Absolute disaster happening in slow mo. Anyone wanting to cut immigration thought of as backward and racist. 'We need immigrants with the birth rate falling blah blah'

This country was fine in the 60's 70's and 80's. An extra 15 or 20 million people has an only forced up the price of land

 

[AHPP]

59 minutes ago, tree-fancier123 said:

This country was fine in the 60's 70's and 80's. An extra 15 or 20 million people has an only forced up the price of land

 

It wasn't. It was already on the death spiral of bad money and building restrictions. More people speed up the downfall but land prices would still increase with fewer people. The rich would still hoard it because money loses value and the the poor would still pay to rent it because they can't afford to pay a planner to magically make a piece of land legally habitable instead. 

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[tree-fancier123]

my old man was a machine operator for a while and later prison officer, they were buying nice houses in their mid to late twenties on average incomes, you didnt need planning because there were affordable older houses with big gardens. Unlike today where building plots are .25 acre and the finished build with postage stamp lawn is half a million.

So many relying on bank of mum and dad, because immigrants pushed up housing costs.

House price to income in seventies and eighties probably averaged four times, its about 8 now

[AHPP]

Immigrants is an almost complete non sequitur. They're an annoying drip from a torn umbrella. The rain is the problem. Immigrants didn't take us off the gold standard. That was the death knell. We weren't as far round the curve on the graph in the 70s as we are now. Imagine what it'll look like as the curve gets curvier. 8:1. Pffft. See how 80:1 feels.

[tree-fancier123]

there are lots of immigrants arriving in England, meaning the available land has to support more people, not many immigrants chose Bulgaria, or even rural Italy. Those places with less people, property is much cheaper . Surely without legal and illegal immigration England too would have less thriving economy, but also lower property prices?  Rural places in Europe where the young move to cities or abroad for work, thats where the property is cheap. Supply and demand

[BillQ]

8 hours ago, tree-fancier123 said:

So many relying on bank of mum and dad, because immigrants pushed up housing costs.

No, not having that! I pushed them up somehow in the 80's. 

We had a new build (social housing) 2 bed end terrace of 3 houses in 85/6, £18 900, we sold it two years later for £38 000, the house building trade took off for 5 years until supply outstripped demand and building almost stopped but prices didn't. 

[BillQ]

8 hours ago, tree-fancier123 said:

.... not many immigrants chose Bulgaria, or even rural Italy....

Yeah, housing costs, front and centre of every migrants thoughts 🙄 

[tree-fancier123]

1 hour ago, BillQ said:

Yeah, housing costs, front and centre of every migrants thoughts 🙄 

No, benefits and job prospects are. So as these are lower in e.g Bulgaria, legal and illegal migration to that country are lower than to England. So with less migrants to find accomodation for there is lower demand for houses in Bulgaria. 

So if we have 50000 small boats migrants a year and say 30000 of those remain, we now need extra housing for 30000 more people than the year before - plus extra housing for net increase due to legal migrants granted work and study visas.  Migrants are the sole reason for UK population growth. The UK birth rate has been below 2 for many years.

[sime42]

Now we're getting to the crux of the matter. 

 

"So if we have 50000 small boats migrants a year and say 30000 of those remain, we now need extra housing for 30000 more people than the year before - plus extra housing for net increase due to legal migrants granted work and study visas."

 

30000 << legal migrants granted work and study visas. 

 

But still, immigration has very little to do with the overinflated housing market in the UK.