Making the news today....

[tree-fancier123]

also that the internet has turned migration into a trend, with smugglers canvassing on social media

[sime42]

(Im)migration is certainly a trend here on Arbtalk. Where is that dedicated thread when we need it?

 

Here's a funny thing. So I've just been in another hospital, the second in almost a week. Guess what? They were both absolutely rammed with immigrants of one flavour or another. I struggled to see a white face amongst the staff actually. All the doctors and consultants that I saw were mainly from the Indian Subcontinent I'd guess. 

 

Here's the really funny part; I didn't see any brown fighting age males, i.e. the people apparently arriving in the boats. The people supposedly breaking our NHS, having arrived only yesterday. Not amoungst the patients anyway. As you'd expect; you'd have to be pretty fit and healthy to even attempt to cross the channel in a little rubber boat. Plenty of young brown blokes who were registrars and consultants though. Very competent they have seemed, the few I've dealt with, so presumably didn't just arrive yesterday. I saw loads of other immigrant patients, but they were male and female of equal proportion, complete range of ages, (but largely older), and in most cases obese to a greater or lesser extent.

 

It's a funny old world.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[tree-fancier123]

we can't stop the boats because of all the politicians who think like SP and sime42

 These people dont want to be negative about the incoming sapiens

[Oldfeller]

[BillQ]

4 hours ago, sime42 said:

Guess what? They were both absolutely rammed with immigrants

Same as the one I was in yesterday for 4 hrs and another thing, in all that time there was only one Muslim couple, no other none British patients all that time as they all had Sunderland/NE accents. 

And we're told that waiting times in hospitals is all down to migrants 🤷

[Steven P]

5 hours ago, tree-fancier123 said:

I voted leave. The migrant numbers have been on the up due to global events.

 

Problem with this discussion is that it is very circular, as a forum we get as far as "the problem isn't at Calais / France" and the another stands up shouting "they are still coming" and we go back to the beginning, very rarely acknowledging world events that cause the 'push' for migrants to leave home, very rarely acknowledging that migration can be a benefit (as in the NHS staff noted above), but straight back to following Farage and the Daily Mail and shouting at boats... but standing up to do something you feel strongly about... nah... to much effort.

 

 

Yes, global events, and UK domestic politics, of any party, are going to do very little to affect them once the migrants have had that push to leave. Ahh but we can whinge that our taxes are being used for overseas aid, to reduce that 'push' and then wonder why they are leaving in greater numbers. As you say, a complex issue, as a forum we'll get nowhere so long as it keeps getting dragged back to standing on cliffs at Dover "none shall pass! Oh, they just did"

[Capetown]

I take it you don’t live in London BillQ?

[Josey Wales]

1) Steven P is correct in pointing out that since we left the EU we also left the Dublin Regulations whereby someone crossing the Channel 'could' be returned to the first 'safe' country they arrived in.

Is it coincidence the numbers of those attempting to cross the Channel rose sharply in 2020 when we formally left?

2) Yes, tree-fancier123 is correct that migrant numbers are on the up due to global events, but two things can both be true at the same time. Brexit has exacerbated it, especially as regards to returning those who have crossed the Channel! This is further underlined by....

3) .....Johnsond's post whereby the French are waving off those in dinghies with a 'Bon Voyage'!

Since we left the EU to 'take back control' of our borders, why should the French care who leaves their own borders when the numbers of those claiming asylum there, as in most of Europe, are far higher than those claiming asylum in the UK? Or did we 'take back control' as long as the French would do it for us? Before, when we were both members of the EU, it was a shared border, with shared responsibilities and a reason to work together. Not anymore.

I can imagine more than a few Frenchmen having a good chuckle at this thread. 'Bon Voyage' indeed!

4) As ever, the numbers of immigrants (across Europe and including the UK) coming over legally on work visas to work in the NHS, construction etc, is far higher than those crossing the channel, both under the current Labour administration and under the last Conservative one. This is the point Sime42 is trying to make.

5) On this last point, if you think this would be any different under Reform, then Linden Kemkaren, a Reform county councillor in Kent clearly did not get the memo, as this last week she wrote to the government to express her 'grave concern' about the possible exodus of care staff from overseas, y'know, the immigrants that are coming over here taking all our jobs.  

[Oldfeller]

ya'll keep feckin' whining about Brexit, and world events, and nhs, and boats, ad infinitum labor, Tories ,reform, who's to blame,, he said, she said ,

but the simple fact is this country has been ****************t for decades, every government has all the feckin' answers, and decries everything anyone else is doing or whining about about what they ain't doing, but come election time the same old bullshite gets everyone thinking it's all gonna change this time, but it doesn't,, mainly because nobody is held accountable, in many countries you aren't liked enough, some nutjob or patsy will end you. feck me some counties will shoot the goalkeeper of their football team for letting too many goals in the net, 

this country,you ****************up you get a feckin' nighthood , or a cushy seat in the house of lords. you get caught at your place of work asleep, of shagging the secretary,partying, or fiddling the expenses, or minors, it's a feckin' joke,  watching these feckin' clowns in government is like a cheap end of the pier circus show, jeering and trying to get one up on the opponent from the other side of the house.

While the country goes further and further down the shitter.

everyone at each other over immigration, of course there's people from all over the world wanna come here, were all too feckin' dumb to sort the good from the bad. too scared to point anything out as it results in a few twats who think they can shut you down with cries and bleats of "racist" and "fascist"

and a whole range of labels. 

I'm too old to care about when the cack finally hits the rotors, and it will, I'll thankfully be ash by that time.

in the meantime if any fool thinks writing a feckin' letter to a bunch of clowns who couldn't care less about you, or even aware of your existence is gonna change anything,, go ahead knock yer sen out. 

 

Edited July 17 by Oldfeller

[Stubby]

19 minutes ago, Oldfeller said:

ya'll keep feckin' whining about Brexit, and world events, and nhs, and boats, ad infinitum labor, Tories ,reform, who's to blame,, he said, she said ,

but the simple fact is this country has been ****************t for decades, every government has all the feckin' answers, and decries everything anyone else is doing or whining about about what they ain't doing, but come election time the same old bullshite gets everyone thinking it's all gonna change this time, but it doesn't,, mainly because nobody is held accountable, in many countries you aren't liked enough, some nutjob or patsy will end you. feck me some counties will shoot the goalkeeper of their football team for letting too many goals in the net, 

this country,you ****************up you get a feckin' nighthood , or a cushy seat in the house of lords. you get caught at your place of work asleep, of shagging the secretary,partying, or fiddling the expenses, or minors, it's a feckin' joke,  watching these feckin' clowns in government is like a cheap end of the pier circus show, jeering and trying to get one up on the opponent from the other side of the house.

While the country goes further and further down the shitter.

everyone at each other over immigration, of course there's people from all over the world wanna come here, were all too feckin' dumb to sort the good from the bad. too scared to point anything out as it results in a few twats who think they can shut you down with cries and bleats of "racist" and "fascist"

and a whole range of labels. 

I'm too old to care about when the cack finally hits the rotors, and it will, I'll thankfully be ash by that time.

in the meantime if any fool thinks writing a feckin' letter to a bunch of clowns who couldn't care less about you, or even aware of your existence is gonna change anything,, go ahead knock yer sen out. 

 

I have thought the above for a number of years now . I am currently enjoying a lovely liver and bacon casserole with onion gravy and mash .  

Edited July 17 by Stubby